19 Mar
2015
19 Mar
'15
3:37 p.m.
Hi,
I'm in organization where we have 3 unsynchronized wikis, implemented
using the software named in subject (ie JSPWiki/DokuWiki/mediawiki).
I would like to merge their content in one unique wiki, obviously
implemented using XWiki (due to the excellent interview Vincent Massol
and Ludovic Dubost gave to the castcodeurs podcast).
I have seen there are extensions to have content of those legacy wiki
imported into XWiki.
However, i'm not sure I understand how they work.
1 - JSPWiki to XWiki
There seems to be an old (?) extension at
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/JSPWiki+To+XWiki+Conve…,
documented by Vincent Massol. From what I understand, the Java code in
this extension has to be compiled independently, and run as a
stand-alone program on the machine hosting the JSPWiki server. It will
generate a XAR that can be injected into XWiki. Am I right ? If so, it
is hardly an extension of XWiki, but rather a companion program (but I'm
nitpicking). However, as a stand-alone program, isn't it available as an
executable JAR somewhere ?
2 - Dokuwiki to XWiki
This time, it's a valid XWiki extension :
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Import+DokuWiki+into+X…
which is easily installable using Extension manager (cool !). However, I
wonder how it will work with XWiki 6.4.2 ...
3 - mediawiki to XWiki
This time ... it seems like there is no extension. or is it ?
bonus - xwiki-OLD to xwiki
We also have some content in an old (5.0.1) version of XWiki. How do I
migrate ?
Conclusion - cheers
I must confess I had never tried before XWiki, and my first impression
is that it's a robust and perfectly usable wiki solution. The XWiki team
did a really impressive work.
--
Nicolas Delsaux
19 Mar
19 Mar
4:10 p.m.
Hi Nicolas,
On 19 Mar 2015 at 15:38:02, Nicolas Delsaux
(nicolas.delsaux@gmx.fr(mailto:nicolas.delsaux@gmx.fr)) wrote:
Hi,
I'm in organization where we have 3 unsynchronized wikis, implemented
using the software named in subject (ie JSPWiki/DokuWiki/mediawiki).
I would like to merge their content in one unique wiki, obviously
implemented using XWiki (due to the excellent interview Vincent Massol
and Ludovic Dubost gave to the castcodeurs podcast).
Nice choice! :)
I have seen there are extensions to have content of
those legacy wiki
imported into XWiki.
However, i'm not sure I understand how they work.
I don’t know if you’ve seen this doc page which may provide a bit more information:
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/Imports#HImportingfromano…
1 - JSPWiki to XWiki
There seems to be an old (?) extension at
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/JSPWiki+To+XWiki+Conve…,
documented by Vincent Massol. From what I understand, the Java code in
this extension has to be compiled independently, and run as a
stand-alone program on the machine hosting the JSPWiki server. It will
generate a XAR that can be injected into XWiki. Am I right ? If so, it
is hardly an extension of XWiki, but rather a companion program (but I'm
nitpicking). However, as a stand-alone program, isn't it available as an
executable JAR somewhere ?
Yes, this is an old script written a long time ago (not by me, I just made it available on
that page ;)), before XWiki Rendering (see http://rendering.xwiki.org) existed. I have no
idea how well it works.
2 - Dokuwiki to XWiki
This time, it's a valid XWiki extension :
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Import+DokuWiki+into+X…
which is easily installable using Extension manager (cool !). However, I
wonder how it will work with XWiki 6.4.2 ...
3 - mediawiki to XWiki
This time ... it seems like there is no extension. or is it ?
So to summarize, we’re lacking some nice migrators to migrate from all those wikis to
XWiki. We only have scripts maintained by the community.
Now we’ve put in place all the infrastructure for such a migrator. We call it the Filters
Application (a bad name IMO but it does more than just migrate content from wiki to wikis,
it accepts any input and any output).
See http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Application
Right now this Filters app supports only a few input/outputs:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Module#HExistin…
Since there’s a confluence input module, it means you can give this Filter app a
confluence zip as input and as output you can put an XWiki instance and it’ll import the
content.
We’re lacking input modules for the wikis you mentioned above: JSPWiki, Dokuwiki and
MediaWiki.
So there are 4 solutions I can see at this stage:
* You import your content page by page (since XWiki can read natively the formats of the
wikis you mentioned)
* You use one of the extension scripts
from http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Tags?do=viewTag&tag=mig… but
I don’t know what result you’ll get (I’ve never used them myself but I think the mediawiki
ones are pretty good)
* You want to contribute/participate and we can guide you on how to write a Filter module.
If you wish to see the code for the confluence one, it’s here:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/tree/master/xwiki-platform-core/xwi…
* You want someone to do the work for you! Check the list of professional services
at http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport
bonus - xwiki-OLD to xwiki
We also have some content in an old (5.0.1) version of XWiki. How do I
migrate ?
That’s relatively easy :) You can export and reimport for example,
see http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/ImportExport
Conclusion - cheers
I must confess I had never tried before XWiki, and my first impression
is that it's a robust and perfectly usable wiki solution. The XWiki team
did a really impressive work.
Thanks, I hope you’ll enjoy it!
-Vincent
Nicolas Delsaux
4:12 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Nicolas Delsaux <nicolas.delsaux(a)gmx.fr> wrote:
Hi,
I'm in organization where we have 3 unsynchronized wikis, implemented using
the software named in subject (ie JSPWiki/DokuWiki/mediawiki).
I would like to merge their content in one unique wiki, obviously
implemented using XWiki (due to the excellent interview Vincent Massol and
Ludovic Dubost gave to the castcodeurs podcast).
I have seen there are extensions to have content of those legacy wiki
imported into XWiki.
However, i'm not sure I understand how they work.
1 - JSPWiki to XWiki
There seems to be an old (?) extension at
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/JSPWiki+To+XWiki+Conve…,
documented by Vincent Massol. From what I understand, the Java code in this
extension has to be compiled independently, and run as a stand-alone program
on the machine hosting the JSPWiki server. It will generate a XAR that can
be injected into XWiki. Am I right ? If so, it is hardly an extension of
XWiki, but rather a companion program (but I'm nitpicking). However, as a
stand-alone program, isn't it available as an executable JAR somewhere ?
2 - Dokuwiki to XWiki
This time, it's a valid XWiki extension :
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Import+DokuWiki+into+X…
which is easily installable using Extension manager (cool !). However, I
wonder how it will work with XWiki 6.4.2 ...
3 - mediawiki to XWiki
This time ... it seems like there is no extension. or is it ?
Looks like there is
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Mediawiki+To+XWiki+Mig….
Last time I had to do that (a long time ago) I used
https://github.com/xwiki-contrib/sandbox/tree/master/xwiki-wikiimporter.
bonus - xwiki-OLD to xwiki
We also have some content in an old (5.0.1) version of XWiki. How do I
migrate ?
Conclusion - cheers
I must confess I had never tried before XWiki, and my first impression is
that it's a robust and perfectly usable wiki solution. The XWiki team did a
really impressive work.
--
Nicolas Delsaux
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Thomas Mortagne
23 Mar
23 Mar
11:02 a.m.
Le 19/03/2015 16:10, vincent(a)massol.net a écrit :
Nice choice! :)
Yeah, for now, as I'm only
evaluating it, I'm rather happy.
Yes, this is an old script written a long time ago
(not by me, I just
made it available on that page ;)), before XWiki Rendering (see
http://rendering.xwiki.org) existed. I have no idea how well it works.
My concern
about this script is that its status regarding full wiki
import is ... undetermined.
So to summarize, we’re lacking some nice migrators to migrate from all
those wikis to XWiki. We only have scripts maintained by the community.
Now we’ve put in place all the infrastructure for such a migrator. We
call it the Filters Application (a bad name IMO but it does more than
just migrate content from wiki to wikis, it accepts any input and any
output). See
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Application
Right now this Filters app supports only a few input/outputs:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Module#HExistin…
Since there’s a confluence input module, it means you can give this
Filter app a confluence zip as input and as output you can put an
XWiki instance and it’ll import the content.
So, from what I understand, my "best" solution would be to write
extensions to the filter module supporting JSPWiki and Dokuwiki. I
could/should rely upon the Rendering framework which seems to understand
both syntaxes with ease.
Am I right ? And if so, what would be, to your mind, the estimated
duration of such a development ?
Thanks anyway for the answer.
--
Nicolas Delsaux
3:07 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Nicolas Delsaux
<nicolas.delsaux(a)gmx.fr> wrote:
Le 19/03/2015 16:10, vincent(a)massol.net a écrit :
This is the best long term solution yes and you benefit from all the
work done for other importer for all the bulletproofing in instance
output filter.
You can look at the module in
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/tree/master/xwiki-platform-core/xwi…
for inspiration.
For the estimated duration I don't really know since most of the time
depend on the format you are going to read and find a suitable
replacement in the existing generic events. I spend 90% of my time
just trying to understand the format when I did the Confluence module
and there is still possible improvements but I'm sure you can't have a
format that horrible in dokuwiki and jspwiki. Dokuwiki should not be
too hard unless there is a lot of new features to find equivalent to
compared to the last time I used it. I don't know JSPWiki except by
name so not much idea here.
A note on the existing syntaxes parsers in the rendering for dokuwiki
and jspwiki: there is a few tests but those are not the most tested
modules so you might find some differences compared to the standard
behavior in the last version of dokuwiki and jspwiki.
Nice choice! :)
Yeah, for now, as I'm only evaluating it, I'm rather happy.
Yes, this is an old script written a long time ago (not by me, I just made
it available on that page ;)), before XWiki Rendering (see
http://rendering.xwiki.org) existed. I have no idea how well it works.
My concern about this script is that its status regarding full wiki import
is ... undetermined.
So to summarize, we’re lacking some nice migrators to migrate from all
those wikis to XWiki. We only have scripts maintained by the community.
Now we’ve put in place all the infrastructure for such a migrator. We call
it the Filters Application (a bad name IMO but it does more than just
migrate content from wiki to wikis, it accepts any input and any output).
See http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Application
Right now this Filters app supports only a few input/outputs:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Module#HExistin…
Since there’s a confluence input module, it means you can give this Filter
app a confluence zip as input and as output you can put an XWiki instance
and it’ll import the content.
So, from what I understand, my "best" solution would be to write extensions
to the filter module supporting JSPWiki and Dokuwiki. I could/should rely
upon the Rendering framework which seems to understand both syntaxes with
ease.
Am I right ? And if so, what would be, to your mind, the estimated duration
of such a development ? Thanks anyway for the answer.
--
Nicolas Delsaux
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
--
Thomas Mortagne
3:17 p.m.
Actually I did not looked if there was a parser for dokuwiki and
jspwiki but I guess you can reuse a parser done for one of the
existing extensions.
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Nicolas Delsaux
<nicolas.delsaux(a)gmx.fr> wrote:
--
Thomas Mortagne
Le 19/03/2015 16:10, vincent(a)massol.net a écrit :
This is the best long term solution yes and you benefit from all the
work done for other importer for all the bulletproofing in instance
output filter.
You can look at the module in
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/tree/master/xwiki-platform-core/xwi…
for inspiration.
For the estimated duration I don't really know since most of the time
depend on the format you are going to read and find a suitable
replacement in the existing generic events. I spend 90% of my time
just trying to understand the format when I did the Confluence module
and there is still possible improvements but I'm sure you can't have a
format that horrible in dokuwiki and jspwiki. Dokuwiki should not be
too hard unless there is a lot of new features to find equivalent to
compared to the last time I used it. I don't know JSPWiki except by
name so not much idea here.
A note on the existing syntaxes parsers in the rendering for dokuwiki
and jspwiki: there is a few tests but those are not the most tested
modules so you might find some differences compared to the standard
behavior in the last version of dokuwiki and jspwiki.
Nice choice! :)
Yeah, for now, as I'm only evaluating it, I'm rather happy.
Yes, this is an old script written a long time ago (not by me, I just made
it available on that page ;)), before XWiki Rendering (see
http://rendering.xwiki.org) existed. I have no idea how well it works.
My concern about this script is that its status regarding full wiki import
is ... undetermined.
So to summarize, we’re lacking some nice migrators to migrate from all
those wikis to XWiki. We only have scripts maintained by the community.
Now we’ve put in place all the infrastructure for such a migrator. We call
it the Filters Application (a bad name IMO but it does more than just
migrate content from wiki to wikis, it accepts any input and any output).
See http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Application
Right now this Filters app supports only a few input/outputs:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Module#HExistin…
Since there’s a confluence input module, it means you can give this Filter
app a confluence zip as input and as output you can put an XWiki instance
and it’ll import the content.
So, from what I understand, my "best" solution would be to write extensions
to the filter module supporting JSPWiki and Dokuwiki. I could/should rely
upon the Rendering framework which seems to understand both syntaxes with
ease.
Am I right ? And if so, what would be, to your mind, the estimated duration
of such a development ? Thanks anyway for the answer.
--
Nicolas Delsaux
_______________________________________________
users mailing list
users(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
--
Thomas Mortagne
3:18 p.m.
On 23 Mar 2015 at 15:07:41, Thomas Mortagne
(thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Nicolas Delsaux
wrote:
Actually we don’t have any parser for the dokuwiki syntax in XWiki Rendering so the work
to support Dokuwiki is not small (first someone needs to add support for it syntax in
XWiki Rendering and then only we can implement a wiki importer for it).
For JSPWiki and MediaWiki it’s less work.
Thanks
-Vincent
Le 19/03/2015 16:10, vincent(a)massol.net a écrit :
This is the best long term solution yes and you benefit from all the
work done for other importer for all the bulletproofing in instance
output filter.
You can look at the module in
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/tree/master/xwiki-platform-core/xwi…
for inspiration.
For the estimated duration I don't really know since most of the time
depend on the format you are going to read and find a suitable
replacement in the existing generic events. I spend 90% of my time
just trying to understand the format when I did the Confluence module
and there is still possible improvements but I'm sure you can't have a
format that horrible in dokuwiki and jspwiki. Dokuwiki should not be
too hard unless there is a lot of new features to find equivalent to
compared to the last time I used it. I don't know JSPWiki except by
name so not much idea here.
A note on the existing syntaxes parsers in the rendering for dokuwiki
and jspwiki: there is a few tests but those are not the most tested
modules so you might find some differences compared to the standard
behavior in the last version of dokuwiki and jspwiki.
Nice choice! :)
Yeah, for now, as I'm only evaluating it, I'm rather happy.
Yes, this is an old script written a long time ago (not by me, I just made
it available on that page ;)), before XWiki Rendering (see
http://rendering.xwiki.org) existed. I have no idea how well it works.
My concern about this script is that its status regarding full wiki import
is ... undetermined.
So to summarize, we’re lacking some nice migrators to migrate from all
those wikis to XWiki. We only have scripts maintained by the community.
Now we’ve put in place all the infrastructure for such a migrator. We call
it the Filters Application (a bad name IMO but it does more than just
migrate content from wiki to wikis, it accepts any input and any output).
See http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Application
Right now this Filters app supports only a few input/outputs:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Filter+Module#HExistin…
Since there’s a confluence input module, it means you can give this Filter
app a confluence zip as input and as output you can put an XWiki instance
and it’ll import the content.
So, from what I understand, my "best" solution would be to write extensions
to the filter module supporting JSPWiki and Dokuwiki. I could/should rely
upon the Rendering framework which seems to understand both syntaxes with
ease.
Am I right ? And if so, what would be, to your mind, the estimated duration
of such a development ? > Thanks anyway for the answer.
>
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