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stefan bachert

22 Feb 2010 22 Feb '10

11:57 a.m.

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Marius Dumitru Florea

22 Feb 22 Feb

12:03 p.m.

Hi Stefan, stefan bachert wrote:

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Hi,

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is there a way to include an other macro in a html macro?

As specified on http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro you can use wiki=true but be aware to escape special xwiki2.0 chars that you don't want to be interpreted. In case you don't know, all macros are documented on http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/ Hope this helps, Marius

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Asiri Rathnayake

12:06 p.m.

Hi stefan, I think you are asking too many questions without participating / helping in any other conversation. You might want to slow down a bit ;) - Asiri 2010/2/22 stefan bachert <stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de>

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Hi, is there a way to include an other macro in a html macro? Stefan Bachert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ users mailing list users(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Caleb James DeLisle

12:16 p.m.

Something like that? {{html}} <i>Italics</i> {{warning}} This is a warning {{/warning}} some text {{/html}} {{html wiki=false}} will turn off further wiki parsing and inner macros will be displayed verbatim. Caleb James DeLisle stefan bachert wrote:

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Stefan Bachert

23 Feb 23 Feb

9:47 a.m.

Hi, I am sorry, but I am working very intensive on xwiki (7 days a week). However, I am still a beginner as I started two weeks before. And it is very hard to reply on a digest mailing list. I changed this in spite of the ugly gui. Stefan Bachert -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Macro-in-html-macro-tp4611361p4617688.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Stefan Bachert

11:09 a.m.

Hi, I figured it out now. {{html wiki=true}} {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} {{/html}} setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. This is somewhat crude and not documented -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Macro-in-html-macro-tp4611361p4617987.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Vincent Massol

11:16 a.m.

On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:

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Hi, I figured it out now. {{html wiki=true}} {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} {{/html}} setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. This is somewhat crude and not documented

How can you say it's not documented? http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro Thanks -Vincent

Stefan Bachert

11:31 a.m.

Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading. I still get no link for "wiki syntax" to "macro". Maybe with internal knowledge this may brighten up. Stefan Bachert ________________________________ Von: vmassol [via XWiki] <ml-node+4618020-1742651533-433644(a)n2.nabble.com> An: Stefan Bachert <stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:17:17 Uhr Betreff: Re: Macro in html-macro On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:

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Hi, I figured it out now. {{html wiki=true}} {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} {{/html}} setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. This is somewhat crude and not documented

How can you say it's not documented? http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro Thanks -Vincent _______________________________________________ users mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users ________________________________ View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Macro-in-html-macro-tp4611361p4618020.html To unsubscribe from Re: Macro in html-macro, click here. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Macro-in-html-macro-tp4611361p4618078.html Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Vincent Massol

11:43 a.m.

On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:

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Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading.

It's wiki as in wiki syntax. Macros **are** wiki syntax, otherwise you'd never be able to use macros when you write wiki syntax! -Vincent

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I still get no link for "wiki syntax" to "macro". Maybe with internal knowledge this may brighten up. Stefan Bachert ________________________________ Von: vmassol [via XWiki] <ml-node+4618020-1742651533-433644(a)n2.nabble.com> An: Stefan Bachert <stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:17:17 Uhr Betreff: Re: Macro in html-macro On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:

Hi, I figured it out now. {{html wiki=true}} {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} {{/html}} setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. This is somewhat crude and not documented

How can you say it's not documented? http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro Thanks -Vincent

Thomas Mortagne

11:48 a.m.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:31, Stefan Bachert <stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de> wrote:

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Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading. I still get no link for "wiki syntax" to "macro".

{{macro param="value"}} only mean something in xwiki/2.0 syntax, that's how this syntax interpret a macro. Other syntaxes will do it another way ({macro} in confluence for example, etc...). So it's impossible to write a macro not linked to a wiki syntax because no syntax mean that you only have plain text and in this case you don't have syntax for macro either.

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Maybe with internal knowledge this may brighten up. Stefan Bachert ________________________________ Von: vmassol [via XWiki] <ml-node+4618020-1742651533-433644(a)n2.nabble.com> An: Stefan Bachert <stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:17:17 Uhr Betreff: Re: Macro in html-macro On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:

Hi, I figured it out now. {{html wiki=true}} {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} {{/html}} setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. This is somewhat crude and not documented

-- Thomas Mortagne

stefan bachert

12:48 p.m.

Hi Vincent, Technical you are surely totally right in the context of xwiki But try to see that stuff from an users point of view, not from a developers one. An user want to use xwiki not to analyse it. Look what the german wikipedia thinks about wiki syntax. No macros at all. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Textgestaltung And the french version, discusses something which looks like "xwiki macros" but they arent. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide:Syntaxe There is no common sense what "Wiki syntax" means. So a better term would be helpful. However, it is not easy to find something better, all I am thinking of are rather a sentence than a word. Stefan Bachert ________________________________ Von: Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> An: XWiki Users <users(a)xwiki.org> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:43:49 Uhr Betreff: Re: [xwiki-users] Macro in html-macro On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:

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Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading.

It's wiki as in wiki syntax. Macros **are** wiki syntax, otherwise you'd never be able to use macros when you write wiki syntax! -Vincent

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Hi, I figured it out now. {{html wiki=true}} {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} {{/html}} setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. This is somewhat crude and not documented

How can you say it's not documented? http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro Thanks -Vincent

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Vincent Massol

1:09 p.m.

On Feb 23, 2010, at 12:48 PM, stefan bachert wrote:

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End users should use the wysiwyg editor and the add macro dialog box from there (which has a description).

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Look what the german wikipedia thinks about wiki syntax. No macros at all. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Textgestaltung And the french version, discusses something which looks like "xwiki macros" but they arent. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide:Syntaxe

Almost all wikis have the notion of macros (sometimes called extensions or plugin too) so this is no different from any other wiki.

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There is no common sense what "Wiki syntax" means. So a better term would be helpful. However, it is not easy to find something better, all I am thinking of are rather a sentence than a word.

Sure, we couldn't find a better name to explain that the wiki syntax is evaluated or not. I initially wanted wikiSyntax=true|false but in order to have a short and concise name we agreed on "wiki". Note that we wouldn't be able to change it in XWiki syntax 2.0 (since it would break backward compat). The only window of opportunity to change it would be XWiki Syntax 2.1. Thanks -Vincent

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Stefan Bachert ________________________________ Von: Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> An: XWiki Users <users(a)xwiki.org> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:43:49 Uhr Betreff: Re: [xwiki-users] Macro in html-macro On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:

Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading.

It's wiki as in wiki syntax. Macros **are** wiki syntax, otherwise you'd never be able to use macros when you write wiki syntax! -Vincent > I still get no link for "wiki syntax" to "macro". > Maybe with internal knowledge this may brighten up. > > Stefan Bachert > > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: vmassol [via XWiki] <ml-node+4618020-1742651533-433644(a)n2.nabble.com> > An: Stefan Bachert <stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de> > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:17:17 Uhr > Betreff: Re: Macro in html-macro > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote: > > >> >> Hi, >> >> I figured it out now. >> >> {{html wiki=true}} >> {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} >> {{/html}} >> >> setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. >> This is somewhat crude and not documented > How can you say it's not documented? > http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro > > Thanks > -Vincent

Caleb James DeLisle

1:19 p.m.

XWiki 2.0 syntax is defined here: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/XWikiSyntax#HMacros Calling macros "not syntax" would be a big change in the way XWiki is documented, and it makes no sense to me since macros are handled by the syntax parser and they are not any external script language. Caleb James DeLisle stefan bachert wrote:

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Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading.

It's wiki as in wiki syntax. Macros **are** wiki syntax, otherwise you'd never be able to use macros when you write wiki syntax! -Vincent

Hi, I figured it out now. {{html wiki=true}} {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} {{/html}} setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. This is somewhat crude and not documented

How can you say it's not documented? http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro Thanks -Vincent

stefan bachert

1:54 p.m.

Hi, http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/XWikiSyntax#HMacros following the link I found ----------------- In XWiki Syntax 2.0, by default the HTML macro understands wiki syntax. To prevent this, use {{html wiki="false"}}. ----------------- Looking in http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro states ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wiki yes true/false (Default) false Indicate if the wiki syntax (including other macros) inside the macro is evaluated or not. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Both pages contradict each other. Due to tests the first page is wrong, the latter is true. To allow "wiki syntax" the attribute wiki has to be EXPLICITELY set to "true" {{html wiki="true"}} Stefan Bachert ________________________________ Von: Caleb James DeLisle <calebdelisle(a)lavabit.com> An: XWiki Users <users(a)xwiki.org> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 13:19:37 Uhr Betreff: Re: [xwiki-users] Macro in html-macro XWiki 2.0 syntax is defined here: http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/XWikiSyntax#HMacros Calling macros "not syntax" would be a big change in the way XWiki is documented, and it makes no sense to me since macros are handled by the syntax parser and they are not any external script language. Caleb James DeLisle stefan bachert wrote:

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Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading.

It's wiki as in wiki syntax. Macros **are** wiki syntax, otherwise you'd never be able to use macros when you write wiki syntax! -Vincent

Hi, I figured it out now. {{html wiki=true}} {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} {{/html}} setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. This is somewhat crude and not documented

How can you say it's not documented? http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro Thanks -Vincent

Thomas Mortagne

1:57 p.m.

XWikiSyntax page is wrong, fixing it. For all macros the reference documentation is the one on code.xwiki.org. On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 13:54, stefan bachert <stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de> wrote:

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Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading.

It's wiki as in wiki syntax. Macros **are** wiki syntax, otherwise you'd never be able to use macros when you write wiki syntax! -Vincent

Hi, I figured it out now. {{html wiki=true}} {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} {{/html}} setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. This is somewhat crude and not documented

How can you say it's not documented? http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro Thanks -Vincent

-- Thomas Mortagne

Sergiu Dumitriu

2:12 p.m.

On 02/23/2010 12:48 PM, stefan bachert wrote:

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And a USER would expect a macro to understand Velocity? I doubt that any regular user knows Velocity at all. I doubt that a regular user expects macros to be executed at a different level than the other wiki markup.

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Comparing the XWiki wiki syntax with the one on wikipedia is not right. These are completely different wikis, with completely different purposes.

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There is no common sense what "Wiki syntax" means. So a better term would be helpful. However, it is not easy to find something better, all I am thinking of are rather a sentence than a word. Stefan Bachert ________________________________ Von: Vincent Massol<vincent(a)massol.net> An: XWiki Users<users(a)xwiki.org> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:43:49 Uhr Betreff: Re: [xwiki-users] Macro in html-macro On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:

Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading.

It's wiki as in wiki syntax. Macros **are** wiki syntax, otherwise you'd never be able to use macros when you write wiki syntax! -Vincent > I still get no link for "wiki syntax" to "macro". > Maybe with internal knowledge this may brighten up. > > Stefan Bachert > > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: vmassol [via XWiki]<ml-node+4618020-1742651533-433644(a)n2.nabble.com> > An: Stefan Bachert<stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de> > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:17:17 Uhr > Betreff: Re: Macro in html-macro > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote: > > >> >> Hi, >> >> I figured it out now. >> >> {{html wiki=true}} >> {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} >> {{/html}} >> >> setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. >> This is somewhat crude and not documented > How can you say it's not documented? > http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro > > Thanks > -Vincent

-- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/

stefan bachert

2:28 p.m.

Hi, I am an user of xwiki and I understand velocity. Maybe my users of my Wiki, which is an application of xwiki, won't understand velocity. However, they won't see it all. They will not even see "(x)wiki syntax" Stefan Bachert ________________________________ Von: Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> An: XWiki Users <users(a)xwiki.org> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 14:12:36 Uhr Betreff: Re: [xwiki-users] Macro in html-macro On 02/23/2010 12:48 PM, stefan bachert wrote:

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Comparing the XWiki wiki syntax with the one on wikipedia is not right. These are completely different wikis, with completely different purposes.

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Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading.

It's wiki as in wiki syntax. Macros **are** wiki syntax, otherwise you'd never be able to use macros when you write wiki syntax! -Vincent > I still get no link for "wiki syntax" to "macro". > Maybe with internal knowledge this may brighten up. > > Stefan Bachert > > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: vmassol [via XWiki]<ml-node+4618020-1742651533-433644(a)n2.nabble.com> > An: Stefan Bachert<stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de> > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:17:17 Uhr > Betreff: Re: Macro in html-macro > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote: > > >> >> Hi, >> >> I figured it out now. >> >> {{html wiki=true}} >> {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} >> {{/html}} >> >> setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. >> This is somewhat crude and not documented > How can you say it's not documented? > http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro > > Thanks > -Vincent

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Jeremie BOUSQUET

7:54 p.m.

Hi, I don't quite agree ... Developers might see velocity, would they be end user or not, of course. But they might see wiki syntax even if they are not developers, because this is what wiki syntax was created in first place : easy editing "in place" with very simple syntax to learn (** for bold and such). Well I affirm that without being really sure, but I always thought it was what wiki syntax was about :-) Of course wikis are more and more powerful, and some (not much) come with nice wysiwyg like xwiki, so wiki syntax can be a bit more complex now as it is more hidden to end users. And XWiki pushes this very far beeing also a true applicative platform through macros velocity, groovy, etc. But I still think that there should be some separation between heavily "programmatic" and scripted content, and just plain or wiki formatted text. To be clearer, you could have a home page with some descriptive text (formatted text), and then the list of last pages updated in the wiki (velocity). It would be clearer for end users if the call to velocity was done through a macro call, or a page inclusion with {{include}} macro. This way you can edit the page wysiwyg or wiki mode, and understand it pretty well even if you're not a programmer, and modify the descriptive text if you're authorized with little chance to break everything ... Of course, if your wiki is read-only for everyone but you, it means there will be no other end-users than you, and if you program you're supposed to ... learn wiki a bit more than regular users ;-) BR, Jeremie 2010/2/23 stefan bachert <stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de>

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Hi Vincent, Technical you are surely totally right in the context of xwiki But try to see that stuff from an users point of view, not from a

developers one.

An user want to use xwiki not to analyse it.

Look what the german wikipedia thinks about wiki syntax. No macros at

all.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfe:Textgestaltung And the french version, discusses something which looks like "xwiki

macros" but they arent.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aide:Syntaxe

Comparing the XWiki wiki syntax with the one on wikipedia is not right. These are completely different wikis, with completely different purposes.

There is no common sense what "Wiki syntax" means. So a better term would be helpful. However, it is not easy to find

something better, all I am thinking of are rather a sentence than a word.

Stefan Bachert ________________________________ Von: Vincent Massol<vincent(a)massol.net> An: XWiki Users<users(a)xwiki.org> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:43:49 Uhr Betreff: Re: [xwiki-users] Macro in html-macro On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote:

Hi, Ok, I see it now, too. However, the attribute name "wiki" is very misleading.

It's wiki as in wiki syntax. Macros **are** wiki syntax, otherwise you'd

never be able to use macros when you write wiki syntax!

-Vincent > I still get no link for "wiki syntax" to "macro". > Maybe with internal knowledge this may brighten up. > > Stefan Bachert > > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: vmassol [via XWiki]<

ml-node+4618020-1742651533-433644@n2.nabble.com<ml-node%2B4618020-1742651533-433644@n2.nabble.com>

> An: Stefan Bachert<stefanbachert(a)yahoo.de> > Gesendet: Dienstag, den 23. Februar 2010, 11:17:17 Uhr > Betreff: Re: Macro in html-macro > > > On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Stefan Bachert wrote: > > >> >> Hi, >> >> I figured it out now. >> >> {{html wiki=true}} >> {{warning}}Warning{{/warning}} >> {{/html}} >> >> setting wiki=true will enable included macros, too. >> This is somewhat crude and not documented > How can you say it's not documented? > http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/HTMLMacro > > Thanks > -Vincent

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Asiri Rathnayake
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Jeremie BOUSQUET
Marius Dumitru Florea
Sergiu Dumitriu
stefan bachert
Stefan Bachert
Thomas Mortagne
Vincent Massol