27 Nov
2015
27 Nov
'15
2:29 p.m.
On 27 Nov 2015 at 14:25:17, Guillaume Lerouge
(guillaume@xwiki.com(mailto:guillaume@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Hi Marius,
On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
What really generates complexity ATM is the difference between the UI (Nested Pages) and
the Model (Nested Spaces). I’d like to start a design to explore what options we have to
remove the concept of Spaces in the model and only have pages. I have the feeling it’s
going to be tough to not break everything but need to explore it to know our options.
I feel that terminal pages are already well hidden in the UI so I’m not sure why you think
we should remove it completely from the UI. Why do you fear that it’s too advanced for
advanced users?
Thanks
-Vincent
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Guillaume
Lerouge
wrote:
Thanks. I understand it's fine to have terminal pages, but are they really
*needed*?
My feeling is that keeping this concept generates complexity for no obvious
benefit. Hi Devs,
after trying XE 7.4 snapshot some more, I kept asking myself what was the
point of even allowing terminal pages to exists. I couldn't see a good
reason why any given page would *need* to be terminal, whereas it poses
some issues:
- There is no visual distinction between terminal pages and nested
pages
in the interface (besides "WebHome" in
the URL, which would be cleaner
to
remove)
- We're planning to make it possible to reference a nested page in
wiki
syntax without having to write
"WebHome" in it
- When creating a new page from a terminal page, you're creating a
sibling instead of a child page, which breaks the user expectation
(and
the
breadcrumb)
- For AWM applications, data/content pages are
created as terminal
pages, which makes it impossible to add further content underneath
them
in
the future (say, sub-tasks that would go as child pages of tasks)
- To my knowledge, there is no easy way to transform a terminal page
into a nested page should the need arise later on
See http://lists.xwiki.org/pipermail/users/2015-November/031558.html Guillaume
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However, I don't see any problem from a page being a nested page
instead of being a terminal page
In summary: why bother with terminal pages at all? I understand they're
an
artefact from our pre-nested-spaces model, but do
they really make sense
now? We could let existing terminal pages live on, but not remove the
ability to create new ones even for admins.
Am I missing something obvious?
Thanks,
Guillaume
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