27 Dec
2006
27 Dec
'06
11:28 a.m.
Hi All ?
We will use syntax for bold text is *text* or _text_ for both editor mode ?
and how to config to show the toolbar in wiki editor (normal mode) .
> In wysiwyg mode, bold text is coded with *text*.
in wiki mode, when using the
> small toolbar, it is coded with _text_. In some cases, switching from wysiwyg to
> wiki mode, some problems appear, but I can't reproduce them systematically. I
> suggest to have a same codification between both modes to avoid any problem.
27 Dec
27 Dec
11:41 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same than in wiki editor mode
I also have an issue with having different ways of doing the same thing. I
think this is really bad for our users. For bold, I'd go for the *text*
syntax (because that's the syntax I've seen used in most other wikis I've
used) and deprecate the _text_ syntax. However I've not been here for long
and I don't know the history around this so I'd rather defer to Ludovic or
other old-timers to decide on this.
Also, in order not to break any compatibility we need to continue to support
the _text_ syntax. So I'd be to have both the xwiki editor and the WYSIWYG
editor generate *text* syntax but they should continue to support the _text_
syntax.
We'd also need to fix the XWiki syntax sheet to reflect this.
Alternatively we should have the wiki editor and the WYSIWYG one transform
the _text_ syntax into *text* syntax when the user saves a document.
I'm interested in getting other's opinions.
Thanks
-Vincent
-----Original Message-----
From: phunghainam(a)xwiki.com [mailto:phunghainam@xwiki.com]
Sent: mercredi 27 décembre 2006 11:28
To: xwiki-dev(a)objectweb.org
Subject: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same than
in wiki editor mode
Hi All ?
We will use syntax for bold text is *text* or _text_ for both editor
mode ?
and how to config to show the toolbar in wiki editor (normal mode) .
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> In wysiwyg mode, bold text is coded with
*text*. in wiki mode, when
> using the small toolbar, it is coded with _text_. In some cases,
> switching from wysiwyg to wiki mode, some problems appear, but I
> can't reproduce them systematically. I suggest to have a same
codification
between both modes to avoid any problem. 
6:07 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same than in wiki editor mode
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 05:41, Vincent Massol wrote:
I'm interested in getting other's opinions.
I have just read some documentation on radeox home page. Is there currently a
way to edit the filters (or create new ones on top of the basic ones)?
Referring to radeox documentation page 16 @
http://radeox.org/space/Developer/Radeox_Developer.pdf :
7.2.6 Using the locale versions of RegexTokenFilter and RegexReplaceFilter
It is possible to have a radeox_markup_mywiki.properties somewhere (in
WEB-INF/ ?) where input (wiki syntax) and output (html) can be (re)defined.
It may not be difficult to provide an admin panel to edit this text file, is
it?
Marc
6:33 p.m.
New subject: Creole support (was RE: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same than in wiki editor mode)
-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Massol [mailto:vincent@massol.net]
Sent: mercredi 27 décembre 2006 11:42
To: 'xwiki-dev(a)objectweb.org'
Cc: 'Ludovic Dubost'
Subject: RE: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same
than in wiki editor mode
I also have an issue with having different ways of doing the same
thing. I think this is really bad for our users. For bold, I'd go for
the *text* syntax (because that's the syntax I've seen used in most
other wikis I've used) and deprecate the _text_ syntax. However I've
not been here for long and I don't know the history around this so I'd
rather defer to Ludovic or other old-timers to decide on this.
Also, in order not to break any compatibility we need to continue to
support the _text_ syntax. So I'd be to have both the xwiki editor and
the WYSIWYG editor generate *text* syntax but they should continue to
support the _text_ syntax.
We'd also need to fix the XWiki syntax sheet to reflect this.
Alternatively we should have the wiki editor and the WYSIWYG one
transform the _text_ syntax into *text* syntax when the user saves a
document.
I'm interested in getting other's opinions.
BTW, I was pointed to Creole (http://www.wikicreole.org/) which is an
interesting effort to harmonize wiki syntaxes. It would be nice that XWiki
be compliant with Creole. WRT our discussion on bold, the relevant page is
http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/AllMarkup#section-AllMarkup-Bold
The recommended bold syntax is **text**
A comparison of all bold syntaxes by other wikis:
http://www.wikimatrix.org/syntax.php?i=23 (which is BTW not correct for
XWiki as 2 syntaxes are supported).
Funnily someone has already added XWiki as a wiki planning to implement
Creole: http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/Engines
In view of this, I'd be in favor of the following:
* Have XWiki supports Creole progressively (i.e. we move one syntax at a
time to be Creole compliant)
* Have a migration application that is packaged in the core and that runs
when the database used is using has not been migrated to the new version.
The migration application would present a screen to the user telling him the
changes that will be brought to his database, telling him to backup his
database before continuing. In the case of bold, this application would
replace all *text* and __text__ with **text**.
* The Wiki editors (wiki mode and WYSIWYG modes) would both output **text**
syntax.
* (optional) The rendering would no longer accept the old syntaxes. If we
want to be extra nice we would continue supporting the old syntaxes for some
time. Only problem is that this is costing a lot in term of development
efforts and potential bugs. We would have to take a call on this.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
-----Original
Message-----
From: phunghainam(a)xwiki.com [mailto:phunghainam@xwiki.com]
Sent: mercredi 27 décembre 2006 11:28
To: xwiki-dev(a)objectweb.org
Subject: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same
than
in wiki editor mode
Hi All ?
We will use syntax for bold text is *text* or _text_ for both
editor
mode ?
and how to config to show the toolbar in wiki editor (normal mode) .
>> In wysiwyg mode, bold text is coded with *text*. in wiki mode,
when
> >> using the small toolbar, it is coded with _text_. In some cases,
> >> switching from wysiwyg to wiki mode, some problems appear, but I
> >> can't reproduce them systematically. I suggest to have a same
> codification between both modes to avoid any problem.
28 Dec
28 Dec
12:06 a.m.
New subject: Creole support (was RE: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same than in wiki editor mode)
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 12:33, Vincent Massol wrote:
* (optional) The rendering would no longer accept the
old syntaxes. If we
want to be extra nice we would continue supporting the old syntaxes for
some time. Only problem is that this is costing a lot in term of
development efforts and potential bugs. We would have to take a call on
this.
Would it be possible for the user to add custom filters for radeox (see my
previous post for the references)?
Is that case it would be acceptable to adopt a restrictive policy, as the user
can set up his preferred behaviour back.
1:14 p.m.
New subject: Creole support (was RE: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same than in wiki editor mode)
Yes, xwiki already uses some custom filters and macros, located in the
com.xpn.xwiki.render.[filter/macro] packages.
How to implement a custom filter/macro:
1. Write a new class in the com.xpn.xwiki.render.[filter/macro] package. You
can look at the existing classes for an example. Some are simple, like
StrongFilter, which rely on the match/print configuration (see item 2). You
must define a key for the filter/macro.
2. Add the "match" and "print" regular expressions in the
core/src/main/resources/radeox_markup_xwiki.properties file.
3. Register the new class in core/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/*
file. Just add the full classname in the corresponding file.
For more details about how a radeox filter/macro works, I think the radeox
documentation is the enough.
I'm not sure about the admin panel for changing the syntax. It can be done,
but I don't know if it is such an useful feature. The more complex
macros/filters definitely need changes in the java code in order to be
customized, and we can't do this from the web interface.
Hope this answers you previous mail, too.
Sergiu
On 12/28/06, Marc Lijour <marc(a)lijour.net> wrote:
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 12:33, Vincent Massol wrote:
* (optional) The rendering would no longer accept
the old syntaxes. If
we
want to be extra nice we would continue
supporting the old syntaxes for
some time. Only problem is that this is costing a lot in term of
development efforts and potential bugs. We would have to take a call on
this.
Would it be possible for the user to add custom filters for radeox (see my
previous post for the references)?
Is that case it would be acceptable to adopt a restrictive policy, as the
user
can set up his preferred behaviour back.
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4:36 p.m.
New subject: implement a radeox custom filter (was Re: Creole support (was RE: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same than in wiki editor mode))
Thank you.
I added your explanation in the FAQ:
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/HowToImplementACustomRadeoxFilterOr…
I believe it should also have a place somewhere in the Dev guide. But I am not
in the best place to tell where.
On Thursday 28 December 2006 07:14, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
Yes, xwiki already uses some custom filters and
macros, located in the
com.xpn.xwiki.render.[filter/macro] packages.
How to implement a custom filter/macro:
1. Write a new class in the com.xpn.xwiki.render.[filter/macro] package.
You can look at the existing classes for an example. Some are simple, like
StrongFilter, which rely on the match/print configuration (see item 2). You
must define a key for the filter/macro.
2. Add the "match" and "print" regular expressions in the
core/src/main/resources/radeox_markup_xwiki.properties file.
3. Register the new class in core/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/*
file. Just add the full classname in the corresponding file.
For more details about how a radeox filter/macro works, I think the radeox
documentation is the enough.
I'm not sure about the admin panel for changing the syntax. It can be done,
but I don't know if it is such an useful feature. The more complex
macros/filters definitely need changes in the java code in order to be
customized, and we can't do this from the web interface.
Hope this answers you previous mail, too.
Sergiu
On 12/28/06, Marc Lijour <marc(a)lijour.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 12:33, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > * (optional) The rendering would no longer accept the old syntaxes. If
>
> we
>
> > want to be extra nice we would continue supporting the old syntaxes for
> > some time. Only problem is that this is costing a lot in term of
> > development efforts and potential bugs. We would have to take a call on
> > this.
>
> Would it be possible for the user to add custom filters for radeox (see
> my previous post for the references)?
>
> Is that case it would be acceptable to adopt a restrictive policy, as the
> user
> can set up his preferred behaviour back.
>
>
>
>
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30 Dec
30 Dec
9:01 p.m.
New subject: implement a radeox custom filter (was Re: Creole support (was RE: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same than in wiki editor mode))
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Lijour [mailto:marc@lijour.net]
Sent: jeudi 28 décembre 2006 16:36
To: xwiki-dev(a)objectweb.org
Subject: Re: implement a radeox custom filter (was Re: Creole support
(was RE: [xwiki-dev] XWiki 309 : Bold codification is not the same than
in wiki editor mode))
Thank you.
I added your explanation in the FAQ:
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/HowToImplementACustomRadeoxFilt
erOrMacro
Cool.
I believe it should also have a place somewhere in the
Dev guide. But I
am not in the best place to tell where.
I'd put it as a child page of
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/DevGuide/Tutorials
I'll do a reorganization of the dev guide space a bit later. I copied the
one from the old site but it needs some reorganization but whatever you put
there I'll keep of course so feel free to document it there :-)
Thanks
-Vincent
On Thursday 28 December 2006 07:14, Sergiu Dumitriu
wrote:
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Yes, xwiki already uses some custom filters and
macros, located in
the
com.xpn.xwiki.render.[filter/macro] packages.
How to implement a custom filter/macro:
1. Write a new class in the com.xpn.xwiki.render.[filter/macro]
package.
You can look at the existing classes for an
example. Some are simple,
like StrongFilter, which rely on the match/print configuration (see
item 2). You must define a key for the filter/macro.
2. Add the "match" and "print" regular expressions in the
core/src/main/resources/radeox_markup_xwiki.properties file.
3. Register the new class in
core/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/*
file. Just add the full classname in the corresponding file.
For more details about how a radeox filter/macro works, I think the
radeox documentation is the enough.
I'm not sure about the admin panel for changing the syntax. It can be
done, but I don't know if it is such an useful feature. The more
complex macros/filters definitely need changes in the java code in
order to be customized, and we can't do this from the web interface.
Hope this answers you previous mail, too.
Sergiu
On 12/28/06, Marc Lijour <marc(a)lijour.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 December 2006 12:33, Vincent Massol wrote:
> > * (optional) The rendering would no longer accept the old
> > syntaxes. If
>
> we
>
> > want to be extra nice we would continue supporting the old
> > syntaxes for some time. Only problem is that this is costing a
lot
> > > in term of development efforts and potential bugs. We would have
> > > to take a call on this.
> >
> > Would it be possible for the user to add custom filters for radeox
> > (see my previous post for the references)?
> >
> > Is that case it would be acceptable to adopt a restrictive policy,
> > as the user can set up his preferred behaviour back.
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