25 May
2011
25 May
'11
2:13 p.m.
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:26 +0300, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Hi Anca,
Opinions:
- We need to come to a conclusion with the Title naming. Right now having
'Wiki Home' for the Main.WebHome would suggest to use something like 'Space
Home' for every other space, instead of WebHome. See also
http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/sf5os7ihxeltz7s3
WebHome actually means SpaceHome :), "web" is the word used to designate
"space" in old, now deprecated, APIs. I agree that it's not very
understandable for normal people, especially as 'web' terminology is now
deprecated.
However, the name of the document stayed the same, WebHome, it's just
the title that was changed. From what I can see, the titles of all other
(default) spaces are all customized. I need to check what happens with
space title when creating a new space, but otherwise I think they are 2
different things, page name is one and title is the other. I agree that
it's not necessarily very easy to handle for normal users (name and
title as 2 different things) but I think we chose this path when we
chose emphasising the document title and the document title behaviour.
- It's very nice that the position of the text in now inside and the Add
buttons are up. It gives them better visibility. Also the previous warning
message was a bit scary for the end user.
- We need to change 'See space administration' icon which is a cog.gif now
with wrench.gif (just like in the action menu). It is confusing to have the
same icon for the gadget settings and when hovering on a space name.
we can, yes. Just create an issue for the Spaces macro (XE, "Navigation
application", I think).
- When hovering on a gadget we have the cog icon appearing. We could also
have $theme.highlightColor as background for the .gadget-title . We use this
standard on items hover (comments, attachments, etc) we could use it here
too.
I don't mind, except that it will be useless in "panels" style dashboard
(in which gadgets have, depending on the colortheme, a colored title
bar). When you decide upon it, just create an issue in the XWIKI,
"Rendering" component. Personally I cannot invest too much time in
stirring this discussion, and I don't really have too many proposals.
- I don't know how to remove a Column.
There's no UI for it, but I mentioned how to do it in the dashboard
documentation:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Dashboard
+Macro#HChangegadgetspositions . I agree it's totally undiscoverable for
normal users, I just need to put a little time in it to provide some
sort of UI.
Thanks for feedback,
Anca
Thanks,
Caty
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 17:02, Luca Anca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
FYI, I created an issued for this change at
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-922 and I'm starting to prepare the
commit (I implemented it in my local instance).
I read again yday Cati's comments, and I think I understand them now. As
I wrote in the issue description, basically the change, for the end
user, is only a slight visual change of the position of the welcome
message, with great benefits on the editing side. So I will go on with
this change...
Advanced users should still be able to edit the page as "just content",
by choosing Edit -> Wysiwyg, and for simple users, from the input I
have, it's of greater value to be able to easily edit as gadgets than as
"just content".
Thanks,
Anca
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 18:37 +0200, Luca Anca wrote:
IMO.
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 17:22 +0200, Guillaume
Lerouge wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 16:59, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
> >
> > On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:57, Luca Anca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello devs,
> > >>
> > >> as suggested before, I would like to make the main page of the
wiki a
> > >> full dashboard, namely to
relocate the welcome message in a gadget
so
> > >> that the type of page of the
main page is more clear. See this two
> > >> screenshots about how it could look (one is with default style,
other is
> > >> with panels style).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashbo…
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashbo…
> > >>
> > >> (also
> > >>
> > >>
> >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/MainDashbo…
)
> > if you want to import it in your own
wiki and play with it.
> > >>
> > >> I want to discuss the following points now:
> > >> 1/ is the title "Wiki Dashboard" ok for the main page of the
wiki?
> > >>
> > >
> > > IMO I don't like at all the panels style
> > > (WikiDashboardPanels.png<
> >
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashbo…
> > >).
> > > It adds too much weight on the visual aspect and does not bring any
> > value.
> > > IMO the dashboard should be something invisible, like magic somehow
for
> > the
> > > editor, not for the viewer. The editor should benefit from all the
> > > advantages a dashboard system offers: easily add new modules,
configure
> > or
> > > manage existing ones, without writing too much code.
> > > I don't understand why if we have a new feature
("dashboard") we
should
> > > emphase it like this: changing the
look of the homepage, changing
the
> > title.
> > > I don't want my homepage to look like JIRA. My wiki should be based
and
> > > focused on the content, not on the
back techniques I use.
> > > With the panels style I'm more focused that I use 4 types of
gadgets,
> > than
> > > to actually see what is the content of those gadgets.
> > >
> > > So what if the user will not know that we have now dashboards? They
will
> > see
> > > that if they go to edit mode. This feature will help them achieve
things
> > > faster, but is not necessary to
change the way they were doing
things
> > until
> > > now.
> > >
> > > As a conclusion, IMO the main page should be "Welcome ...", or
"Home";
> > "Wiki
> > > Dashboard" doesn't sound like a starting page for me (unless
maybe
if I
> > am a
> > > technical user, but also not in this case). And the naming is very
> > important
> > > because it will prefix all the breadcrumbs.
> >
> > I like having a dashboard as the home page, it's very logical to me
and
> > quite common in lots of tools.
> >
>
> As Cati mentioned it, for end users (viewers) it doens't matter whether
it's
> a dashboard or not. What they should see is
simply a page with blocks
of
content.
They don't care whether it's generated through a dashboard or
static HTML or whatever.
I'm trying to answer this subthread but I don't understand what the
problem is. What does this "users don't care it's a dashboard or not"
thing? What does it refer to? To the usage of the "dashboard" macro? Who
said users should know? Is it because the page would be called
"dashboard"? That's ok, dashboard means actually "dashboard" as
in "car
dashboard", main thing that you see when you jump in your wiki and start
driving it, it does not mean a technology...
Is it the way it looks that makes it too technical? Is it bad that it's
in squares in columns?
I agree that panels style looks bad in default colortheme, in other
colorthemes looks a bit better.
In any case if this is the issue it's not an issue of the main page,
it's an issue of the UI of the dashboard macro in general.
Or regardless of these aspects, our Main.WebHome is not a dashboard, is
something else? I strongly believe that it's a dashboard, from the pov
of the semantics: it has various "gadgets" that aggregate content from
various sources in the wiki providing the user with an overview and a
starting point for his wiki. Is _this_ what we don't agree about?
Thanks,
Anca
>
> Now for the title, it's better that it reflects the content of the page > >
>
> "Home" is simple and standard. I like it.
>
> Guillaume
>
>
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > >> 2/ Is the welcome message visible enough, is it accessible to
users and
> > >> explanatory about what the
page is about and what they could do
next?
> > >>
> > >
> > > Regarding this and also
> > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/b3xyxpg5f5wla4h7 I
> > > think we should change something.
> > > I work for 2 years at XWiki and tested every day snapshots and this
is
> > the
> > > first time I read that message and didn't provide me anything of
help.
> > > We could do a help gadget or an
introduction gadget (that can be
easily
> > > removed using the dashboard
system) to help new users out.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty
> > >
> > >
> > >> 3/ what would be the relation now with the old Main.Dashboard
page,
> > >> which, as you can see in the
quick links panel, is a "Wiki
Dashboard"
> > >> itself? Should it be the same
page? if so, is it ok that the
welcome
> > >> message appears on the wiki
dashboard? if they're not the same
page then
> > >> it's a bit strange that
they're called the same but 2 different
pages...
> > >> Should we rename one?
> > >>
> > >> Technically the welcome message is written in a new page,
Main.Welcome,
>
>> and then included in a gadget in the dashboard. This page can be
> >> translated for getting the message in different languages.
> >>
> >> WDYT?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Anca
>
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