20 Nov
2013
20 Nov
'13
4:04 p.m.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
IMO:
- Templates should be created by Administrators, this means the ability to
set a new wiki as template or mark/edit an existing wiki as template should
be visible just to Administrators.
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/WikiTemplates/edit-…
Sometime yes, sometimes no. This the same rule as for creating wikis.
Sometimes you want to only allow admins to do that and sometime you want to
open it to your users.
- If creating a template is allowed just to
Administrators, for me is
normal that the management is available in the Administration area:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/WikiTemplates/manag…
Administration area should be just there for configuration of features and
apps should be located in their spaces and navigation should be done as for
other apps.
A page should list what the user is allowed to do, whether he's a simple
user or an admin.
I don't think it's a good idea to have 2 UIs and prevent admins from doing
admin operations when they're on some app pages.
In addition this prevents allowing non admins to do those actions too
should we want that. Again my example of the stats app. In some cases I
want only admins to be allowed to view it and in some other cases I may
want stats to be visible by everyone in my wiki. If you force users to go
through administration you loose this ability. This is the same for
everything, including templates...
This is really important to agree on since it's something generic.
- Since templates are used for creation purposes and act as blueprints, a
normal user should not see them or want to interact
with them
Why should the onus of creating a template wiki be only on admins? As an
admin I may want to ask other users to participate in creating a template
wiki (for example).
(as an Admin
I wouldn't want that normal users create new page content on my template
wikis or that they join it, etc).
That's controlled by **permissions**, not by visibility.
This mean that Wiki templates should not
be visible in 'Wiki Index'.
I don't agree, see above and below ;)
'Wiki Index' purpose is to act like a place
where the user can navigate toward wikis or manage his joining policy.
Since template wikis are wikis it also makes sense to have them there for
whoever is allowed to view them.
So having what I say in mind means:
- 'Wiki Index':
-- don't display hidden wikis, except if set otherwise in the Profile;
-- don't display template wikis, since they are not indented for normal
users and you can manage them from Administration;
- 'Creation Step':
-- don't display normal/hidden wikis (logical);
Why would you display hidden wikis in the create step?
Thanks
-Vincent
-- don't display 'hidden' templates,
except otherwise specified in the
Profile;
-- display templates (in future flavors)
(old mockups, but still partial relevant)
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/CreateWikiImproveme…
The above ideas are gathered here
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/WikiTemplates
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
you
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On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
<gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hi devs.
>
> In the coming 5.3 milestone 2, all wikis are displayed in the Wiki
Index,
including
the templates, which was not the case before.
From the user point of view, maybe these templates should not be listed
in
> the Wiki Index. But on the other hand, if you want to see a template, will not
be able to access through the wiki index.
We also have introduced the "hidden" flag for wikis (in the
WikiDescriptor,
> not in the UI yet). If we consider template wikis are "technical" we
as
may use this flag to hide them. Then, in the Wiki
Index, we don't care
if a
> wiki is a template or not, we only care about the "hidden" flag. If the
> user does not want to see the templates in the list, she can mark them hidden,
exactly as we do for documents.
But what about the template list in the wiki creation wizard? Should we
list all templates, or only the visible ones?
My proposition:
- all wikis are visible though the wiki index (template or not).
- if we want to hide templates to the users, we use the hidden flag in
the
wiki descriptor.
- in the wiki creation wizard, we display all the templates, even these
which are tagged as hidden.
WDYT?
Thanks,
Louis-Marie
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