8 Apr
2011
8 Apr
'11
6:37 p.m.
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 17:22 +0200, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 16:59, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
I'm trying to answer this subthread but I don't understand what the
problem is. What does this "users don't care it's a dashboard or not"
thing? What does it refer to? To the usage of the "dashboard" macro? Who
said users should know? Is it because the page would be called
"dashboard"? That's ok, dashboard means actually "dashboard" as in
"car
dashboard", main thing that you see when you jump in your wiki and start
driving it, it does not mean a technology...
Is it the way it looks that makes it too technical? Is it bad that it's
in squares in columns?
I agree that panels style looks bad in default colortheme, in other
colorthemes looks a bit better.
In any case if this is the issue it's not an issue of the main page,
it's an issue of the UI of the dashboard macro in general.
Or regardless of these aspects, our Main.WebHome is not a dashboard, is
something else? I strongly believe that it's a dashboard, from the pov
of the semantics: it has various "gadgets" that aggregate content from
various sources in the wiki providing the user with an overview and a
starting point for his wiki. Is _this_ what we don't agree about?
Thanks,
Anca
On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashbo…
As Cati mentioned it, for end users (viewers) it doens't matter whether it's
a dashboard or not. What they should see is simply a page with blocks of
content. They don't care whether it's generated through a dashboard or
static HTML or whatever. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:57, Luca Anca
<lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hello devs,
>
> as suggested before, I would like to make the main page of the wiki a
> full dashboard, namely to relocate the welcome message in a gadget so
> that the type of page of the main page is more clear. See this two
> screenshots about how it could look (one is with default style, other is
> with panels style).
>
>
>
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashbo…
>
>
>
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashbo…
>
> (also
>
>
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/MainDashbo…)
if you want to import it in your own wiki and play with it.
I want to discuss the following points now:
1/ is the title "Wiki Dashboard" ok for the main page of the wiki?
IMO I don't like at all the panels style
(WikiDashboardPanels.png< ).
It adds too much weight on the visual aspect and does not bring any
value.
IMO the dashboard should be something invisible,
like magic somehow for
the
editor, not for the viewer. The editor should
benefit from all the
advantages a dashboard system offers: easily add new modules, configure
or
manage existing ones, without writing too much
code.
I don't understand why if we have a new feature ("dashboard") we should
emphase it like this: changing the look of the homepage, changing the
title.
I don't want my homepage to look like JIRA.
My wiki should be based and
focused on the content, not on the back techniques I use.
With the panels style I'm more focused that I use 4 types of gadgets,
than
to actually see what is the content of those
gadgets.
So what if the user will not know that we have now dashboards? They will
see
that if they go to edit mode. This feature will
help them achieve things
faster, but is not necessary to change the way they were doing things
until
now.
As a conclusion, IMO the main page should be "Welcome ...", or
"Home";
"Wiki
Dashboard" doesn't sound like a starting
page for me (unless maybe if I
am a
technical user, but also not in this case). And
the naming is very
important
because it will prefix all the breadcrumbs.
I like having a dashboard as the home page, it's very logical to me and
quite common in lots of tools.
Now for the title, it's better that it reflects the content of the page IMO.
"Home" is simple and standard. I like it.
Guillaume
> Thanks
> -Vincent
> >> 2/ Is the welcome message
visible enough, is it accessible to users and
> >> explanatory about what the page is about and what they could do next?
> >>
> > > Regarding this and also
> http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/b3xyxpg5f5wla4h7 I
> > think we should change something.
> > I work for 2 years at XWiki and tested every day snapshots and this is
> the
> > first time I read that message and didn't provide me anything of help.
> > We could do a help gadget or an introduction gadget (that can be easily
> > removed using the dashboard system) to help new users out.
> > > Thanks,
> > Caty
> > > >> 3/ what would be the relation now with the old
Main.Dashboard page,
> >> which, as you can see in the quick links panel, is a "Wiki
Dashboard"
> >> itself? Should it be the same page? if so, is it ok that the welcome
> >> message appears on the wiki dashboard? if they're not the same page
then
> >> it's a bit strange that they're called the same but 2 different
pages...
> >> Should we rename one?
> >>
> >> Technically the welcome message is written in a new page, Main.Welcome,
> >> and then included in a gadget in the dashboard. This page can be
> >> translated for getting the message in different languages.
> >>
> >> WDYT?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Anca
>
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