4 Oct
2017
4 Oct
'17
6:33 p.m.
On big instances such as Wikipedia, you might not even know personally who
is the user who contributed (but notifications might not scale in a
Wikipedia instance anyway).
2017-10-04 15:13 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>om>:
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau
<guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
But Facebook, for example, is a social network. It focuses on people by
nature. On XWiki, it is not that evident. In the case of a knowledge base,
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Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
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Thomas Mortagne
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Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
2017-10-03 17:34 GMT+02:00 Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com
:
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Thomas Mortagne <
> thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Guillaume Delhumeau
> > <guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > So your proposal focuses a lot more on the users instead of the apps
> > (like
> > > facebook for example). It's OK for me, but I think the type icon
> (create,
> > > edit, comment, etc...) is too small compared to the user face.
> > >
> > > Actually when I see these screenshot, my first impression is that
the
> > user
> > > has been modified :) Would it be nice to have the type icon bigger
than
> > the
> > > user face? To me, what happened is more important than who made it,
but
> maybe it's only my feeling.
Pretty much the same comments on my side. I find weird to focus that
much on users, I would have preferred images corresponding on the
change made.
Depends on what we want to focus on and also on what are user's
expectations.
If you look at the majority of notifcations in the wild, the user is the
focus.
People want to know who did what, on what page, when.
you focus more on the content (the knowledge)
than on the people. On
xwiki.org, I guess you prefer seeing what's change instead of who made
some
changes...
If we define XWiki as a collaboration tool, then you collaborate to
create
something and so the focus is naturally more on
that "something".
Just my 2 cents :)
Some for me, if "the majority of notifcations in the wild" only refer
to social networks and communication tools then it's not a good input
for a wiki IMO.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Nice work anyway, as usual :)
> > >
> > > Guillaume
> > >
> > > 2017-10-03 9:50 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau <
> > guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com
> > >>:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2017-10-02 18:09 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> > On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:08, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:05, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Another feedback/questions:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> * Is the avatar icon clickable and leading to the user
profile?
> > >>> >> * We need a way to link directly to the diff, at least for
page
> > events
> > >>> so that the user can see what was modified (as we have currently
in
> > the AS)
> > >>> >
> > >>> > * Maybe “2 hours ago” is not precise enough. In your example I
see
> I
> > >>> created and modified the Roadmap page but they both say “2 hours
> ago”.
> > >>> Shouldn’t I be able to see how far away both events were done?
> > >>>
> > >>> My understanding is that events are grouped by app+type but not by
> > entity
> > >>> anymore (for page events) and thus you can have 3 events displayed
> for
> > the
> > >>> same page, f.ex: Creation, Modification, Deletion.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> And you could also have different users grouped in the same
composite
> > >> event. So when you display the
details, it would be nice to show
which
> > user
> > >> made each event, and I see you have removed this info.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>> -Vincent
> > >>>
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Thanks
> > >>> > -Vincent
> > >>> >
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Thanks
> > >>> >> -Vincent
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 18:01, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<
> > >>> valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> Event Type: BlogPostPublishedEvent
> > >>> >>>> from
> > >>> >>>>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Notification
> > >>> sImprovements9x#HEventTypes
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> ok thanks, had missed this since I was reading from
top to
bottom
> > and
> > >>> stopped at the overview :)
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> However I don’t think it scales since it means one
unique icon
> per
> > >>> combination of app type + event type.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> What would scale better is two icons: one for the app
type and
> one
> > >>> for the event type.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> For example imagine that the Blog app had the
following
events:
> > >>> >>> * When a blog
post is published
> > >>> >>> * When a blog post is created
> > >>> >>> * When a blog post is removed
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> You wouldn’t be able to use the RSS icon to represent
the 3
> events.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> BTW the RSS icon isn’t necessarily representative of
the Blog
> app.
> > A
> > >>> lot of apps can have a RSS feed.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> That’s the main remark I have: it’s going to be harder
and
harder
to
>>> find unique icons as we had more events to apps, especially if
there’s
only
>>> 1 icon that is supposed to combine both app type + event type.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> WDYT?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks
>>> >>> -Vincent
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>> Caty
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Vincent Massol <
vincent(a)massol.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi Caty,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 2 Oct 2017, at 17:21, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<
>>> valicac(a)gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I've created some improvements suggestions for
our
Notifications
>>> UI, see
>>> >>>>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/
>>> >>>>> NotificationsImprovements9x
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Re the overview, I don’t see where you mention the
app?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> For example, could you show how a new Blog post would
be
displayed
>>> and you
>>> >>>>> differentiate that for example from a Page creation or
modification?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks
>>> >>>>> -Vincent
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>>> Caty
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
>> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
>> Committer on the XWiki.org project
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> Committer on the XWiki.org project
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Thomas Mortagne