20 Oct
2015
20 Oct
'15
3:22 p.m.
Please allow me to reiterate on the issues of using such terms ("siblings")
in the UI. More specifically, the biggest problems you have are
translations.
For example, in the Romanian language, there is no specific translation for
"sibling", and the word "frate" is used for both "sibling"
and "brother".
These terms are good to use internally, in technical situations held using
the English language, but, by no means are adequate for UIs. It will
inevitably cause dissent and concerns over gender discrimination (?) and,
at least as far as I am concerned, we really don`t want to go down that
road.
The English term "child" also benefits from being gender neutral, and it is
so probably (?) in many other languages, but, as detailed above, the same
does not apply for "sibling".
API & tree strucutres is one thing, UI is another.
+1 for the deprecation
-0 for the "Siblings" naming.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+1
Thanks,
Marius
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:48 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi devs,
I’ve implemented http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12599 and as part of
this issue I needed to handle the SpaceDocs Panel, and we also need to
handle the Spaces panel.
Here’s my proposal:
* In general we should list only Panels that work for the Nested Pages
(NP) mode in the Panel Wizard (i.e. not show any Panels containing the
word
“Space” in their title or content). The rationale
is that the majority of
uses of XWiki will be for NP.
* We should continue to provide Panels that work for the Nested Spaces
(NS) mode (e.g. SpaceDocs, Spaces), but as extensions on e.x.o and not
bundled by default in XE
* However we shouldn’t break existing XWiki instances and thus I’m
proposing this:
** Deprecate the SpaceDocs and Spaces panels by displaying a message
(when
the user is Admin), trying to push the move to
the newer Panels
(Children,
Siblings and Navigation panels). For example,
this is what I’ve done for
SpaceDocs:
https://www.evernote.com/l/AHfvmKs-DSZBh4IJf1Wp7VV5JfK2pEmfgME Note
that this allows Admins to see that message in
the Panel Wizard too and
thus not be tempted to use them.
** Keep the deprecated Panels for 1 full cycle (i.e. remove them in XWiki
9.0, i.e. move them to xwiki-contrib at that time). Basically a similar
strategy than for young apis.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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