Re: [xwiki-devs] [Discussion] Dashboardification of the Main.WebHome

On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 17:22 +0200, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 16:59, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>

> > > > > On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:57, Luca Anca <lucaa(a)xwiki.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Hello devs, > > >> > > >> as suggested before, I would like to make the main page of the

> > >> full dashboard, namely to relocate the welcome message in a gadget

> > >> that the type of page of the main page is more clear. See this two > > >> screenshots about how it could look (one is with default style,

> > >> with panels style). > > >> > > >> > > >> > >

> > >> > > >> > > >> > >

> > >> > > >> (also > > >> > > >> > >

> > if you want to import it in your own wiki and play with it. > > >> > > >> I want to discuss the following points now: > > >> 1/ is the title "Wiki Dashboard" ok for the main page of the wiki? > > >> > > > > > > IMO I don't like at all the panels style > > > (WikiDashboardPanels.png< > >

> > >). > > > It adds too much weight on the visual aspect and does not bring any > > value. > > > IMO the dashboard should be something invisible, like magic somehow

> > the > > > editor, not for the viewer. The editor should benefit from all the > > > advantages a dashboard system offers: easily add new modules,

> > or > > > manage existing ones, without writing too much code. > > > I don't understand why if we have a new feature ("dashboard") we

> > > emphase it like this: changing the look of the homepage, changing

> > title. > > > I don't want my homepage to look like JIRA. My wiki should be based

> > > focused on the content, not on the back techniques I use. > > > With the panels style I'm more focused that I use 4 types of

> > than > > > to actually see what is the content of those gadgets. > > > > > > So what if the user will not know that we have now dashboards? They

> > see > > > that if they go to edit mode. This feature will help them achieve

> > > faster, but is not necessary to change the way they were doing

> > until > > > now. > > > > > > As a conclusion, IMO the main page should be "Welcome ...", or

> > "Wiki > > > Dashboard" doesn't sound like a starting page for me (unless maybe

> > am a > > > technical user, but also not in this case). And the naming is very > > important > > > because it will prefix all the breadcrumbs. > > > > I like having a dashboard as the home page, it's very logical to me

> > quite common in lots of tools. > > > > As Cati mentioned it, for end users (viewers) it doens't matter whether

> a dashboard or not. What they should see is simply a page with blocks

I'm trying to answer this subthread but I don't understand what the problem is. What does this "users don't care it's a dashboard or not" thing? What does it refer to? To the usage of the "dashboard" macro? Who said users should know? Is it because the page would be called "dashboard"? That's ok, dashboard means actually "dashboard" as in "car dashboard", main thing that you see when you jump in your wiki and start driving it, it does not mean a technology... Is it the way it looks that makes it too technical? Is it bad that it's in squares in columns? I agree that panels style looks bad in default colortheme, in other colorthemes looks a bit better. In any case if this is the issue it's not an issue of the main page, it's an issue of the UI of the dashboard macro in general. Or regardless of these aspects, our Main.WebHome is not a dashboard, is something else? I strongly believe that it's a dashboard, from the pov of the semantics: it has various "gadgets" that aggregate content from various sources in the wiki providing the user with an overview and a starting point for his wiki. Is _this_ what we don't agree about? Thanks, Anca > > Now for the title, it's better that it reflects the content of the page

> > > > "Home" is simple and standard. I like it. > > Guillaume > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > >> 2/ Is the welcome message visible enough, is it accessible to

> > >> explanatory about what the page is about and what they could do

> > >> > > > > > > Regarding this and also > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/b3xyxpg5f5wla4h7 I > > > think we should change something. > > > I work for 2 years at XWiki and tested every day snapshots and this

> > the > > > first time I read that message and didn't provide me anything of

> > > We could do a help gadget or an introduction gadget (that can be

> > > removed using the dashboard system) to help new users out. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > > > >> 3/ what would be the relation now with the old Main.Dashboard

> > >> which, as you can see in the quick links panel, is a "Wiki

> > >> itself? Should it be the same page? if so, is it ok that the

> > >> message appears on the wiki dashboard? if they're not the same

> > >> it's a bit strange that they're called the same but 2 different

> > >> Should we rename one? > > >> > > >> Technically the welcome message is written in a new page,

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