2 Oct
2014
2 Oct
'14
9:04 p.m.
Hi,
Le 2 oct. 2014 19:24, "vincent(a)massol.net" <vincent(a)massol.net> a écrit :
visible
I like it visually, even if I'm not really sure to understand why search
bar should be less visible...
I think 90% of my users use the search to find information, and maybe 10%
add content. You could say it's because of current visibility of those
features, but I'm not sure at all.
Apart from that , I hope search icon interactions in flamingo would be
better than in sample site linked, which is not so good: search icon is too
small, and search bar appearance animation is too slow (HTC m8 + chrome)
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Hi Caty,
On 2 Oct 2014 at 19:10:24, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac(a)gmail.com
(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
Hi,
I've created this proposal
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocation
Please read it and give your opinion on it. The proposal is based on
discussed solution, but improves a bit the styling.
Thanks for working on this!
* I like your idea in Var 3 for the search bar and making it a bit less * I find the Add button not visible enough in the the
top bar with var 3
and I prefer the var 2 for it.
From xwiki.org logo, if I take the funny 'X' of
Xwiki, and I rotate it 45°,
I get a funny '+' sign with an Xwiki touch. If I
paint the '+' in green,
maybe I get a nice add menu with an xwiki touch, WDYT ? ;-)
Specifically I prefer the full text “Add” (or “Create”) and the different
color to make it more visible since it’s important for the user to find
easily how to add new content in a wiki.
Thanks
-Vincent
> If you are curious how I reached some of the proposal's conclusions, you
> can see it's iterations
>
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocationIter…
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Guillaume Lerouge
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > actually one thing we could try is this:
> >
> > - *Keep the "Add" button where it is and use it for page-related
> > actions:*
> > - "Add child page"
> > - "Add comment" (as suggested by Denis)
> > - "Add attachment" (as suggested by Denis)
> >
> >
> > - *Add a "Create" button in the top bar, with 2/3 options:*
> > - "Create page" (TBD)
> > - "Create space"
> > - "Create wiki"
> > - In this case, after clicking "Create" the user would be presented
with
> > a page / modal box listing existing
instances as well as available
> > templates
> >
> > I think this would solve both my issues (having less-frequent actions
in
> > the same location as a more-frequent one,
not being in the right
place on
> > the page) and GuillaumeD's wife issue
(the "Add" button is easy to
find
> > where it is right now, why move it?).
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Guillaume
> > ᐧ
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:48 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2 Oct 2014 at 13:31:56, Eduard Moraru (enygma2002(a)gmail.com
(mailto:
> > > enygma2002(a)gmail.com)) wrote:
> > >
> > > > On that note:
> > > > The funny/sad thing to realise is that we are basing all this
> > discussion
> > > on
> > > > the fact that some users did not find the "Add" button
*only the
first
> > > > time* they tried to do something.
The realization is that this is
one
> > of
> > > > those things (idioms[1][2]) that you learn once and know how to
easily
> > do
> > > > the next 1000x times (like riding a bike).
> > > >
> > > > The real problem appears when you are in those "next 1000x
time"
and
> > you
> > > > find it cumbersome to use (like riding a bike with no saddle, or
with
> > the
> > > > saddle on backwards :) ). So in both cases (top or middle of the
page)
> > > once
> > > > you find it once, you will find it again, however in the middle
of the
> > > page
> > > > it conflicts too often with the Edit button and other page related
> > > actions,
> > > > that it becomes cumbersome to use.
> > >
> > > Indeed that’s something I had in mind too. If you just ask to add a
page
> > > and that’s all then you’re not doing a
full test. You’d need to ask
the
> > > user to:
> > > - add a page
> > > - delete a page
> > > - move a page
> > > - create a space
> > > - etc
> > >
> > > And then only you can draw some conclusion IMO.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Eduard
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > [1] http://thor.info.uaic.ro/~evalica/hci/L2/
> > > > [2]
> > >
https://www.englishforums.com/English/IdiomsVsMetaphors/cqwl/post.htm
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2 Oct 2014 at 11:06:00, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau (
> > > > > gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have done the "test-on-my-wife" thing :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She finds it more intuitive to add a page from the current
page, so
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > current location, instead of the "black bar that gives
the
> > > impression of
> > > > > > not beeing a part of that page" (that she did not
manage to
find by
> > > > > > herself).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I then explained that the buttons inside the page only
concern the
> > > > > actions
> > > > > > that you can do on that page, meanwhile adding a new page
should be
> > > put
> > > > > in
> > > > > > an other location. She did not like this logic :)
> > > > >
> > > > > So with this logic we should remove the top bar completely and
move
> > all
> > > > > actions inside the page, i.e. have only 1 menu inside the page.
> > > Because if
> > > > > she couldn’t find the Add button there she also wouldn’t be
able to
> > > find
> > > > > all wiki-related actions, space-related actions and more
importantly
> > > > > **page-related** actions like
copy page, rename page or delete
page…
> > > > >
> > > > > Also would be fun to ask your wife to try using Confluence and
see if
> > > she
> > > > > fails to create a page there too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > -Vincent
> > > > >
> > > > > > Users' logic and developer's logic are not the
same. I like
the
> > > current
> > > > > > location too, except that we should propose "create
page"
before
> > > "create
> > > > > > wiki".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I really would like to have some feedback of normal users,
with
> > the 2
> > > > > > proposals. We, as developers, are not good at making things
that
> > look
> > > > > > simple for other people, so we should not take this
decision
alone.
> >
>
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Guillaume Delhumeau
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