Re: [xwiki-devs] [Rendering] Honor white spaces in XWiki Syntax or not? (was Re: [Rendering] Honor whitespaces in cells or not?)

Changed the subject since this has drifted to a more general topic (I was initially asking only for table cells and only for esthetical reasons). Thanks -Vincent On Nov 26, 2008, at 9:08 PM, Vincent Massol wrote: http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/Creole1.0#section-Creole1.0-Tables >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right now we're honoring whitespaces (they are significant). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If we want to be consistent with normal wiki text we should >>>>>>>> honor >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> since we're honoring spaces in wiki text. However we just >>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>> agree that it won't be possible to get nicely aligned cell >>>>>>>> delimiters >>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>> One consideration. Right now you have to write the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> |cell1|cell2|cell3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this is not very readable IMO compared to: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> | cell1 | cell2 | cell3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However right now since whitspaces are honored if you write the >>>>>>> latter >>>>>>> you'll get: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <td>&nbsp;cell1&nbsp;</td> in XHTML. >>>>>> Is there any possibility to trim spaces only around the table >>>>>> delimiters >>>>>> and >>>>>> honor only the spaces inside the text in the tables? >>>>>> >>>>> I'm leaning towards trimming the surrounding white spaces. One is >>>>> that it >>>>> allows us to align cell elements and the second is they doesn't >>>>> represent >>>>> any valuable information. I mean regardless of the existence of >>>>> surrounding >>>>> white spaces, the output will look the same. >>>> No, and that's the point. Currently whitespaces are significant and >>>> are taken into account and thus represented. >>> >>> >>> Ok, I tried it and it has an effect only when the output is >>> something like >>> this : >>> >>> <table border="1"><tr><td>&nbsp;hi&nbsp;</td></tr></table> OR >>> >>> <table border="1"><tr><td style="white-space: pre-wrap"> hi >>> </td></tr></table> >>> >>> And not when it's like : >>> >>> <table border="1"><tr><td> hi </td></tr></table> >>> >>> So it makes sense to respect white spaces (+1). But whether to use >>> &nbsp; or >>> styles is a question. styles seems to be a cleaner way as >>> suggested by >>> sergiu. >>> >> >> If we want all spaces to be preserved, we could set the pre-wrap >> style >> globally, on the whole document (or just on the content). But this >> will >> cause problems with indented script code, as they generate a lot of >> output. >> >> I am still against preserving *visual* spaces in general. This is not >> how HTML works. This is not how the web works. > >> Do we want to do this >> just so that MS Word users feel like they are editing a word >> document, >> and not a web page? > > Yes. That what all our users have been asking for AFAIK and this is > why we've decided at the beginning that newlines will generate new > lines and not be ignored as with HTML. > >> Is this our target audience, secretaries that put on >> their resumes that they can use MS Office? > > I think this is exactly what our users are asking for: "Word on the > Web". > > As a developer I personally wouldn't have minded that our Newlines > and spaces were behaving the same as HTML but I thought he had > decided early on that we wanted to display what users typed (i.e. > Newlines honored, spaces honored) since this is what I've heard > being asked for. I much prefer to have this rather than to see > WYSIWYG-generated wiki syntax with a special syntax to force > preservation of space characters and \\ everywhere for newlines. > > Anyway I'm open to discussion except that this comes very late, so > close to the final release. It would be very hard to change this now > in time for the release. OTOH if everyone is against honoring white > spaces then we better change it now. > > Please let me all know your views quickly. >

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