15 Nov
2013
15 Nov
'13
4:23 p.m.
The whole http://design.xwiki.org wiki access is restricted to local
admin group, no idea if it's on purpose but looks like a leftover.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET
<jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Maybe it's not finished yet or I missed something, but if I browse this
page:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/MailArchiveApplication
If I'm not authentified, I can see the page.
If I log in (in order to edit the page), I can't even see the page ("You
are not allowed to view this document or perform this action ...").
2013/11/15 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
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Thomas Mortagne
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
I used scripts: copied the state from old dev:Design space, added
'completed' state for the incubator pages. I've updated some statuses for
some of them, yes.
I have a list with like 5 variants of states we could have for this app. If
you really want to have this discussion about the naming we could, but the
current variant is: 'Idea', 'Active', 'Dormant',
'Completed', 'Dropped'.
Because we had the discussion about the Status of the project at the
seminar and that is not visible what is on going and what we might want to
achieve, I've added the 2 states. If we are going to add (Not planned) also
a 'Target' column to specify the version we want to release that feature,
having an 'Active' state is important since it shows the features we are
really working on.
We could have like a job that listens if a page was not modified for a
certain period of time and change the status from 'Active' to 'Dormant'
(Not planned).
As mentioned in my early mail I don't really know the status of others'
proposals so that's why I asked of you if you could update them in order to
be accurate.
> * Is
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/CAPTCHAIntegration#Historyrea…
> "Dropped"? Shouldn't it be "Completed"?
I haven't changed the Status of this proposal, so this is how it must have
been put by Jerome on devs wiki. Actually the devs status was 'Dead' which
in the new application is marked as 'Dropped'.
> * I don't understand how you categorize designs and how you link them
> together, for ex:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/SearchLucene
The proposals are linked together by using the parent/child relationship.
I agree with Vincent, in practice the page about Mail archive I work on
(listed above) describes both UI and Code of the app. By the way it
contradicts the name of the whole subwiki ("design.xwiki.org"), considering
the scope of this subwiki is not limited to proposals on visual aspects, so
it should not be the same term IMO for the whole subwiki and for this
category Design (vs Implementation), or then you should call the subwiki "
design-and-implementation.xwiki.org" :) . Design vs Implementation makes me
think of Architecture vs Code but maybe it's a developer-centric view :)
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The proposal pages are full width just like the other pages on xwiki.org.
The only centered page is design:Main.WebHome which is consistent with
xwiki:Main.WebHome. I won't change that.
Hi,
I've finished moving the content from
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/WebHome and
http://incubator.myxwiki.org (Improvements, Standards, Tech, Mockups
spaces) to the new wiki
http://design.xwiki.org/
Woohoo :) Nice progress from before, well done!
Some quick comments:
* Is it possible to remove the centered thing and do the same as on other
subwikis of xwiki.org? (consistency!)
* It's a real pity that you seem to have lost
the history and thus
creation
date/author and last modified date/author since
ideally the LT should be
filtered by latest proposal first (as for the Extensions of e.x.o).
Just like on e.x.o the livetable is filtered after 'Last modified'. Pages
on design.xwiki.org have suffered modifications (objects added, etc.) so
it's normal that they are modified in the past week.
I haven't lost the history (except for 4 pages). All the other have been
imported with history, but when you look at them you see they were created
by me because that's how we handle import and copy (see
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-925)
* I think you've been a bit overzeleaous in
changing states of
proposals...
going to try to fix some. At least that's a
good way to reset everything
:)
* "Active" vs "Dormant" is
too hard IMO. What's the criteria? For example
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/APM Nobody is working
actively but it's something I believe we need and it's still valid. What
about http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLSchemeI'm
working on it, once every 4 months. I think these 2 states are too hard
to
maintain because nobody is going to move them
from Active to Dormant. I'd
suggest we replace both "Active" and "Dormant" by "Open"
because I don't
think we need to separate them. "Open" should list all designs about
things
that we wish to do. Those that we don't want
to do should be in
"Dropped".
> WDYT?
* I don't really understand why you consider
"Design" to be about UI
only... For ex
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/AlternateURLScheme is
purely
design and you categorized it as
"Feature".
For me what is related to visual aspects is 'Design', what is related to
code is 'Implementation'. We could discuss and add more states but I've
tried to pick the easiest ones.
'Feature' is used for 'parent'
categories and for proposals that don't
belong to any other category (you could create a special page to be set as
parent or use the current as feature).
waiting
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
track
was
user
wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgDesignWiki
having
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs I also don't understand what
"Feature'" means. And why a proposal of "Design" cannot include
requirements?
This was a limitation of the application (I was displaying related pages
livetable just for Feature proposal), now is fixed. If a page have children
it will display them.
Again if you find something that is misplaced please help me fix it.
Thanks,
Caty
Or is it just the "latest" stage it's in but that doesn't
mean much in agile dev since the design and code
work together and are
cycling in small iterations... :)
Thanks!
-Vincent
>
>
> Since I've been using scripts, the Participants and Status might not be
> accurate since I marked most of them as Completed. Feel free to mark
your
proposal
accordingly and maybe even change the parent hierarchy if you
find
> your proposal in the wrong place.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
> > <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > *Short version* for voting:
> > > *A*. Creation of a new wiki on xwiki.org farm that will hold
> development
> > > process details about a specific feature. This wiki will deprecate
> > > dev.xwiki.org:Design and incubator.myxwiki.org
> >
> > +1
> >
> > >
> > > *B*. Vote on naming alternatives for this new wiki:
> > > design.xwiki.org
> > > incubator.xwiki.org
> >
> > +1 for design.xwiki.org
> > -0 for incubator.xwiki.org, "incubator" means implementations > > to be approved in some mainstream
repository for me not design and
> > architecture. It would make more sense used as the name of a github
> > repository/organization associated to this wiki for example.
> >
> > >
> > > *C*. UI on how a Proposal will be displayed in this new wiki
(example
> >
AppWithinMinutes):
> >
>
>
> Looks very nice. Same as Denis, it's very important that it's as easy
> as possible to use and not a constraint in order to actually be used.
>
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > *Long version: *
> >
> > Right now development process activities are located in multiple
places:
> > - Analysis + Architecture:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/
> > - Analysis + User Interface:
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/
> > - Other: http://xwiki.markmail.org/, http://jira.xwiki.org, chats,
git
> > > comments, etc.
> > >
> > > This process can be hard to optimize and information is hard to if
> > you are looking for specific information.
> > And the worst part of it is that is hard to automatize and lots of
the
> > > items need manual gathering or search.
> > >
> > > *Part A. *
> > > This mail is about combining
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/and
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/ work in a single place.
> > > This has already been discussed several times before (
> > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/kc32dufsf7nyyt6s and
> > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/izj6aiyodwqia4vl) and the vote > >
favorable in this direction.
> > The proposal was to create a new wiki called design.xwiki.org that
will
> > contain the combined information and that will target developers.
> >
> > The new wiki will be used to gather only proposal's development
process
> > > information: requirements, architecture, solutions alternatives, > >
interface variants, planning, etc. for a specific
> feature/idea/improvement.
> > After the proposal is implemented it will be properly documented in
the
> > right location for users (ex
platform.xwiki.org).
> > It is acceptable to have CSS + JS code on this wiki in order to
> demonstrate
> > the functionality of the proposals, but we should not add
> > experimental/dangerous code (groovy scripts, jars, etc.). For this
case
> it
> > is advisable to use a test machine, share your own instance or use
the
> > > contrib.xwiki.org repository for hosting.
> > >
> > > The version upgrades will be handle by a community admin and the > > > gardening by me.
> > >
> > > The data from incubator.myxwiki.org and dev.xwiki.org:Design will
be
> > moved
> > > gradually after the new wiki is created.
> > >
> > > *Part B. *
> > > You should state your opinion regarding which name is better for
the
new
> > wiki:
> > - design.xwiki.org
> > - incubator.xwiki.org
> > - we accept other proposals.
> >
> > *Part C.*
> > I've made a proposal on how a proposal page would look like:
> >
>
>
>
> > The proposal page will gather all the information related to it,
making
> > it
> > > easier to track it's progress.
> > >
> > > The entries will be separated depending on 4 categories: Analysis,
> > > Architecture, User Interface and Implementation, each category >
it's
> > own status, participants, jiras and timeframe.
> > Categories are not mandatory for all proposals, smaller proposals
will
> have
> > just the related pages for certain areas.
> > Each proposal will store it's data in a dedicated space.
> >
> > The implementation of the proposal will be handled by me.
> >
> > Let me know what you think.
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
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