22 Nov
2011
22 Nov
'11
2:40 p.m.
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application) I'd like
to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each workspace being a
wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this vote is about
keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that XEM implements use case 1). Use
case 2) exists but it's less frequent and for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s). XEM home page
becomes the workspaces app home page. We update manager.xwiki.org to align it with the
fact that it now boasts the workspaces features.
B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualization we keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the current pages
located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could call it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this point we'll decide if
we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways of installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
22 Nov
22 Nov
5:21 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
+1
Jerome
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application) I'd like
to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each workspace being a
wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this vote is about
keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that XEM implements use case 1). Use
case 2) exists but it's less frequent and for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s). XEM home page
becomes the workspaces app home page. We update manager.xwiki.org to align it with the
fact that it now boasts the workspaces features.
B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualization we keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the current pages
located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could call it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this point we'll decide if
we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways of installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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5:27 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
+1 as well.
Looking forward to it!
Guillaume
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Jerome Velociter <jerome(a)winesquare.net>wrote;wrote:
+1
Jerome
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application)
I'd like to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
workspace
being a wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this
vote is
about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that
XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2) exists but it's less frequent and
for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces
module(s). XEM home
page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update
manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
workspaces features.
B) On
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep documenting how
to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
current
pages located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could call
it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
D) Users who want to install
xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use
the Extension Manager UI when it's
ready for general consumption
E) Users who want to install
xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use
the Extension Manager UI when it's
ready for general consumption. At this
point we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both
ways of installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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5:46 p.m.
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+1 as well.
-Fabio
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application) I'd like
to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each workspace being a
wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this vote is about
keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that XEM implements use case 1). Use
case 2) exists but it's less frequent and for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s). XEM home page
becomes the workspaces app home page. We update manager.xwiki.org to align it with the
fact that it now boasts the workspaces features.
B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualization we keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the current pages
located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could call it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this point we'll decide if
we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways of installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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5:59 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 14:40, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application)
I'd like to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
workspace being a wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this
vote is about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that
XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2) exists but it's less frequent and
for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s).
XEM home page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update
manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
workspaces features.
Does it means that it is similar to now, except that the workspaces module
is loaded and welcome you ?
If you do not use it, and access the wiki manager, is there any issue, or
could you administer a farm ?
B) On
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep documenting how
to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
current pages located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could call
it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the
Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the
Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this point
we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways of
installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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6:25 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
2011/11/22 Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu>
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XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 14:40, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
The Wiki Manager would still be there but not initially visible. All the
modules which allow running a farm would still be there.
Ludovic
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application
)
I'd like to push for using it in our XEM
distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
workspace being a wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this
vote is about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that
XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2) exists but it's less frequent and
for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s).
XEM home page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update
manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
workspaces features.
Does it means that it is similar to now, except that the workspaces module
is loaded and welcome you ?
If you do not use it, and access the wiki manager, is there any issue, or
could you administer a farm ?
B) On
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in
xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
current pages located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could call
it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the
Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the
Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this
point
we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM
distribution or keep both ways of
installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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9:04 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 18:25, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
2011/11/22 Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu>
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application
module
+0,5 on this one then. I am just worried that using the same distribution
for something different could cause some confusion for those upgrading.
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 14:40, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
)
> I'd like to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
>
> However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
> 1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
> workspace being a wiki)
> 2) Using XE as a wiki farm
>
> I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this
> vote is about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so
that
> XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2)
exists but it's less frequent
and
> for more technically advanced users.
>
> So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
>
> A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces
module(s).
XEM home
page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update
manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
workspaces features.
Does it means that it is similar to now, except that the workspaces is loaded and welcome you ?
If you do not use it, and access the wiki manager, is there any issue, or
could you administer a farm ?
The Wiki Manager would still be there but not initially visible. All the
modules which allow running a farm would still be there.
Ludovic
call
of
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XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com
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B) On
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwekeep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
> C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
> current pages located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could > it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
> D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use
the
> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for
general consumption
> E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use
the
Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this
point
> we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways
installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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6:35 p.m.
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+1
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application) I'd like
to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each workspace being a
wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this vote is about
keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that XEM implements use case 1). Use
case 2) exists but it's less frequent and for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s). XEM home page
becomes the workspaces app home page. We update manager.xwiki.org to align it with the
fact that it now boasts the workspaces features.
B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualization we keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the current pages
located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could call it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this point we'll decide if
we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways of installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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9:11 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
Hi Vincent,
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application)
I'd like to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
workspace being a wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this
vote is about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that
XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2) exists but it's less frequent and
for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s).
XEM home page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update
manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
workspaces features.
B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
current pages located in XEM (home page + the other
pages). We could call
it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/mai…
There, you have:
* Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM and a
listing of current wikis
* XemManager.Install -> Install page for a wiki template. This page is
supposed to have automatically the latest XE xar attached to it. This was
working when it was part of the XEM product, but if we plan to put it into
platform, we need to let the admin upload the XE xar (or any other xar that
(s)he wishes to use for the template), just like we did for workspaces.
* Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of the standard quick links panel that
contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an admin
* XemResources.* -> Translations page with 7 keys strictly related to the
XemManager.Install page
* Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the application
manager. AFAIK, it's just a way to automatically register the above
translations.
Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform package that
is supposed to contain the above pages "xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ? If
someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki
capabilities, they will just get a new homepage.
I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application) offers
everything needed for the 2) wiki farm use case and that, from the
platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the proposed extra
xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring no value. The only valuable item is
(maybe) the homepage, but I propose we drop all of the above and let users
use the wiki manager application.
I`m +1 for everything else.
Thanks,
Eduard
D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki
easily will use the
Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the
Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this point
we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways of
installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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9:43 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Vincent,
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Same comment for me, I voted a bit quickly mostly on the title. What's
in XEM is only packaging and only make sense for a distribution. It's
pretty much useless from platform point of view.
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application)
I'd like to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
workspace being a wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this
vote is about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that
XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2) exists but it's less frequent and
for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s).
XEM home page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update
manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
workspaces features.
B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
current pages located in XEM (home page + the
other pages). We could call
it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/mai…
There, you have:
* Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM and a
listing of current wikis
* XemManager.Install -> Install page for a wiki template. This page is
supposed to have automatically the latest XE xar attached to it. This was
working when it was part of the XEM product, but if we plan to put it into
platform, we need to let the admin upload the XE xar (or any other xar that
(s)he wishes to use for the template), just like we did for workspaces.
* Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of the standard quick links panel that
contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an admin
* XemResources.* -> Translations page with 7 keys strictly related to the
XemManager.Install page
* Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the application
manager. AFAIK, it's just a way to automatically register the above
translations.
Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform package that
is supposed to contain the above pages "xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ? If
someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki
capabilities, they will just get a new homepage.
I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application) offers
everything needed for the 2) wiki farm use case and that, from the
platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the proposed extra
xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring no value. The only valuable item is
(maybe) the homepage, but I propose we drop all of the above and let users
use the wiki manager application.
I`m +1 for everything else.
Thanks,
Eduard
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D) Users who want to install
xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the
Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the
Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this point
we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways of
installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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7:58 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
Hi Vincent,
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
AFAIR there was "dashboard" on the home page: wikis you view, wikis you own,
wikis you administrate, recent wikis.
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application)
I'd like to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
workspace being a wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this
vote is about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that
XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2) exists but it's less frequent and
for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s).
XEM home page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update
manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
workspaces features.
B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
current pages located in XEM (home page + the
other pages). We could call
it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/mai…
There, you have:
* Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM and a
listing of current wikis * XemManager.Install -> Install page for a wiki
template. This page is
supposed to have automatically the latest XE xar attached to it. This was
working when it was part of the XEM product, but if we plan to put it into
platform, we need to let the admin upload the XE xar (or any other xar that
(s)he wishes to use for the template), just like we did for workspaces.
* Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of the standard quick links panel that
contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an admin
* XemResources.* -> Translations page with 7 keys strictly related to the
XemManager.Install page
* Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the application
manager. AFAIK, it's just a way to automatically register the above
translations.
Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform package that
is supposed to contain the above pages "xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ? If
someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki
capabilities, they will just get a new homepage.
I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application) offers
everything needed for the 2) wiki farm use case and that, from the
platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the proposed extra
xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring no value. The only valuable item is
(maybe) the homepage, but I propose we drop all of the above and let users
use the wiki manager application.
Good points, I agree. Makes a lot of sense.
I'd then propose to include the XEM dashboard as the WebHome of WikiManager
Thanks
-Vincent
I`m +1 for everything else.
Thanks,
Eduard
> D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the
> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
> E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the
> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this point
> we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways of
> installing it.
>
> Here'd my +1
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
8:42 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
I don't like it very much, WikiManager home page is an admin page to
manipulate wikis, this kind of dashboard would be useless for them
IMO.
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
The page itself just include widgets which are in wiki manager.
Hi Vincent,
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
AFAIR there was "dashboard" on the home page: wikis you view, wikis you own,
wikis you administrate, recent wikis. Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application)
I'd like to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
workspace being a wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this
vote is about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that
XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2) exists but it's less frequent and
for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s).
XEM home page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update
manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
workspaces features.
B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
current pages located in XEM (home page + the
other pages). We could call
it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/mai…
There, you have:
* Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM and a
listing of current wikis * XemManager.Install -> Install page for a
wiki template. This page is
supposed to have automatically the latest XE xar attached to it. This was
working when it was part of the XEM product, but if we plan to put it into
platform, we need to let the admin upload the XE xar (or any other xar that
(s)he wishes to use for the template), just like we did for workspaces.
* Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of the standard quick links panel that
contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an admin
* XemResources.* -> Translations page with 7 keys strictly related to the
XemManager.Install page
* Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the application
manager. AFAIK, it's just a way to automatically register the above
translations.
Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform package that
is supposed to contain the above pages "xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ? If
someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki
capabilities, they will just get a new homepage.
I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application) offers
everything needed for the 2) wiki farm use case and that, from the
platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the proposed extra
xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring no value. The only valuable item is
(maybe) the homepage, but I propose we drop all of the above and let users
use the wiki manager application.
Good points, I agree. Makes a lot of sense.
I'd then propose to include the XEM dashboard as the WebHome of WikiManager
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
I`m +1 for everything else.
Thanks,
Eduard
> D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the
> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
> E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the
> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this point
> we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways of
> installing it.
>
> Here'd my +1
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
I don't like it very much, WikiManager home page is an admin page to
manipulate wikis, this kind of dashboard would be useless for them
IMO.
So you think we should just remove the dashboard?
Or would you be ok to have the dashboard page in the wikimanager app but not on the home
page?
Thanks
-Vincent
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
The page itself just include widgets which are in wiki manager.
Hi Vincent,
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
AFAIR there was "dashboard" on the home page: wikis you view, wikis you own,
wikis you administrate, recent wikis. Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application)
I'd like to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
workspace being a wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this
vote is about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that
XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2) exists but it's less frequent and
for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s).
XEM home page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update
manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
workspaces features.
B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
current pages located in XEM (home page + the
other pages). We could call
it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/mai…
There, you have:
* Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM and a
listing of current wikis * XemManager.Install -> Install page for a
wiki template. This page is
supposed to have automatically the latest XE xar attached to it. This was
working when it was part of the XEM product, but if we plan to put it into
platform, we need to let the admin upload the XE xar (or any other xar that
(s)he wishes to use for the template), just like we did for workspaces.
* Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of the standard quick links panel that
contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an admin
* XemResources.* -> Translations page with 7 keys strictly related to the
XemManager.Install page
* Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the application
manager. AFAIK, it's just a way to automatically register the above
translations.
Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform package that
is supposed to contain the above pages "xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ? If
someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki
capabilities, they will just get a new homepage.
I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application) offers
everything needed for the 2) wiki farm use case and that, from the
platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the proposed extra
xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring no value. The only valuable item is
(maybe) the homepage, but I propose we drop all of the above and let users
use the wiki manager application.
Good points, I agree. Makes a lot of sense.
I'd then propose to include the XEM dashboard as the WebHome of WikiManager > Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> I`m +1 for everything else.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eduard
>>
>>
>>> D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the
>>> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
>>> E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the
>>> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this
point
>>> we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways
of
>>> installing it.
>>>
>>> Here'd my +1
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
24 Nov
24 Nov
12:34 p.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
This could be a WikiManager.Dashboard page provided to anyone that
would want to include it somewhere like in the main wiki home page.
The best would probably be to rewrite the widgets to be supported by
the new dashboard system but it's really not a priority.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
I don't like it very much, WikiManager home page is an admin page to
manipulate wikis, this kind of dashboard would be useless for them
IMO.
So you think we should just remove the dashboard?
Or would you be ok to have the dashboard page in the wikimanager app but not on the home
page?
On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
The page itself just include widgets which are in wiki manager.
Hi Vincent,
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application)
> I'd like to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
>
> However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
> 1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
> workspace being a wiki)
> 2) Using XE as a wiki farm
>
> I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this
> vote is about keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that
> XEM implements use case 1). Use case 2) exists but it's less frequent and
> for more technically advanced users.
>
> So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
>
> A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s).
> XEM home page becomes the workspaces app home page. We update
> manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
> workspaces features.
> B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
>
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
> current pages located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could call
> it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
>
The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/mai…
There, you have:
* Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM and a
listing of current wikis
AFAIR there was "dashboard" on the home page: wikis you view, wikis you own,
wikis you administrate, recent wikis. * XemManager.Install -> Install page for a
wiki template. This page is
supposed to have automatically the latest XE xar attached to it. This was
working when it was part of the XEM product, but if we plan to put it into
platform, we need to let the admin upload the XE xar (or any other xar that
(s)he wishes to use for the template), just like we did for workspaces.
* Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of the standard quick links panel that
contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an admin
* XemResources.* -> Translations page with 7 keys strictly related to the
XemManager.Install page
* Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the application
manager. AFAIK, it's just a way to automatically register the above
translations.
Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform package that
is supposed to contain the above pages "xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ? If
someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki
capabilities, they will just get a new homepage.
I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application) offers
everything needed for the 2) wiki farm use case and that, from the
platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the proposed extra
xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring no value. The only valuable item is
(maybe) the homepage, but I propose we drop all of the above and let users
use the wiki manager application.
Good points, I agree. Makes a lot of sense.
I'd then propose to include the XEM dashboard as the WebHome of WikiManager
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> I`m +1 for everything else.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eduard
>>
>>
>>> D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the
>>> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
>>> E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the
>>> Extension Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this
point
>>> we'll decide if we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways
of
>>> installing it.
>>>
>>> Here'd my +1
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
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On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:34, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
not on
the home page?
This could be a WikiManager.Dashboard page provided to anyone that
would want to include it somewhere like in the main wiki home page.
The best would probably be to rewrite the widgets to be supported by
the new dashboard system but it's really not a priority.
+1 for this, and maybe for a few release, we could have a link to it on the
new Main.WebHome for those who could be surprised by the change. WDYT ?
On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Vincent,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>
>>>> Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
>>>>
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application
)
>>>> I'd like to push for using it
in our XEM distribution.
>>>>
>>>> However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
>>>> 1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
>>>> workspace being a wiki)
>>>> 2) Using XE as a wiki farm
>>>>
>>>> I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and
this
>>>> vote is about keeping the XEM
packaging/branding but repurposing so
that
>>>> XEM implements use case 1). Use
case 2) exists but it's less
frequent and
>>>> for more technically advanced
users.
>>>>
>>>> So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
>>>>
>>>> A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces
module(s).
>>>> XEM home page becomes the
workspaces app home page. We update
>>>> manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
>>>> workspaces features.
>>>> B) On
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
>>>>
>>> C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
>>>> current pages located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could
call
>>>> it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
>>>>
>>>
>>> The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at
>>>
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/mai…
>>>
>>> There, you have:
>>> * Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM and
a
>>> listing of current wikis
>>
>> AFAIR there was "dashboard" on the home page: wikis you view, wikis
you own, wikis you administrate, recent wikis.
>
> The page itself just include widgets which are in wiki manager.
>
>>
>>> * XemManager.Install -> Install page for a wiki template. This page is
>>> supposed to have automatically the latest XE xar attached to it. This
was
>>> working when it was part of the XEM
product, but if we plan to put it
into
>>> platform, we need to let the admin
upload the XE xar (or any other
xar that
>>> (s)he wishes to use for the
template), just like we did for
workspaces.
>>> * Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of
the standard quick links panel that
>>> contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an
admin
>>> * XemResources.* -> Translations
page with 7 keys strictly related to
the
>>> XemManager.Install page
>>> * Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the
application
>>> manager. AFAIK, it's just a way
to automatically register the above
>>> translations.
>>>
>>> Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform package
that
>>> is supposed to contain the above
pages "xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ? If
>>> someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki
>>> capabilities, they will just get a new homepage.
>>>
>>> I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application)
offers
>>> everything needed for the 2) wiki
farm use case and that, from the
>>> platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the proposed
extra
>>> xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring
no value. The only valuable item
is
>>> (maybe) the homepage, but I propose
we drop all of the above and let
users
>>> use the wiki manager application.
>>
>> Good points, I agree. Makes a lot of sense.
>>
>> I'd then propose to include the XEM dashboard as the WebHome of
WikiManager
I don't like it very much, WikiManager home page is an admin page to
manipulate wikis, this kind of dashboard would be useless for them
IMO.
So you think we should just remove the dashboard?
Or would you be ok to have the dashboard page in the wikimanager app but
Thanks
-Vincent
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> I`m +1 for everything else.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eduard
>>>
>>>
>>>> D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will
use the
>>>> Extension Manager UI when
it's ready for general consumption
>>>> E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will
use the
>>>> Extension Manager UI when
it's ready for general consumption. At
this point
>>>> we'll decide if we want to
drop the XEM distribution or keep both
ways of
>>> installing it.
>>>
>>> Here'd my +1
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
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New subject: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Modify XEM distribution to become a Workspace distribution
The XEM dashboard is not a good quality dashboard. It would need to be
rethought.
I don't know of users that actually use it.
I suggest removing it in the meantime.
Ludovic
2011/11/24 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
not on
the home page?
This could be a WikiManager.Dashboard page provided to anyone that
would want to include it somewhere like in the main wiki home page.
The best would probably be to rewrite the widgets to be supported by
the new dashboard system but it's really not a priority.
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On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Vincent,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>
>>>> Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
>>>>
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application
)
>>>> I'd like to push for using it
in our XEM distribution.
>>>>
>>>> However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
>>>> 1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
>>>> workspace being a wiki)
>>>> 2) Using XE as a wiki farm
>>>>
>>>> I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and
this
>>>> vote is about keeping the XEM
packaging/branding but repurposing so
that
>>>> XEM implements use case 1). Use
case 2) exists but it's less
frequent and
>>>> for more technically advanced
users.
>>>>
>>>> So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
>>>>
>>>> A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces
module(s).
>>>> XEM home page becomes the
workspaces app home page. We update
>>>> manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
>>>> workspaces features.
>>>> B) On
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwe keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
>>>>
>>> C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the
>>>> current pages located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could
call
>>>> it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
>>>>
>>>
>>> The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at
>>>
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/mai…
>>>
>>> There, you have:
>>> * Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM and
a
>>> listing of current wikis
>>
>> AFAIR there was "dashboard" on the home page: wikis you view, wikis
you own, wikis you administrate, recent wikis.
>
> The page itself just include widgets which are in wiki manager.
>
>>
>>> * XemManager.Install -> Install page for a wiki template. This page is
>>> supposed to have automatically the latest XE xar attached to it. This
was
>>> working when it was part of the XEM
product, but if we plan to put it
into
>>> platform, we need to let the admin
upload the XE xar (or any other
xar that
>>> (s)he wishes to use for the
template), just like we did for
workspaces.
>>> * Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of
the standard quick links panel that
>>> contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an
admin
>>> * XemResources.* -> Translations
page with 7 keys strictly related to
the
>>> XemManager.Install page
>>> * Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the
application
>>> manager. AFAIK, it's just a way
to automatically register the above
>>> translations.
>>>
>>> Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform package
that
>>> is supposed to contain the above
pages "xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ? If
>>> someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki
>>> capabilities, they will just get a new homepage.
>>>
>>> I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application)
offers
>>> everything needed for the 2) wiki
farm use case and that, from the
>>> platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the proposed
extra
>>> xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring
no value. The only valuable item
is
>>> (maybe) the homepage, but I propose
we drop all of the above and let
users
>>> use the wiki manager application.
>>
>> Good points, I agree. Makes a lot of sense.
>>
>> I'd then propose to include the XEM dashboard as the WebHome of
WikiManager
I don't like it very much, WikiManager home page is an admin page to
manipulate wikis, this kind of dashboard would be useless for them
IMO.
So you think we should just remove the dashboard?
Or would you be ok to have the dashboard page in the wikimanager app but
Thanks
-Vincent
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> I`m +1 for everything else.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eduard
>>>
>>>
>>>> D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will
use the
>>>> Extension Manager UI when
it's ready for general consumption
>>>> E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will
use the
>>>> Extension Manager UI when
it's ready for general consumption. At
this point
>>>> we'll decide if we want to
drop the XEM distribution or keep both
ways of
>>> installing it.
>>>
>>> Here'd my +1
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
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On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 14:43, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
The XEM dashboard is not a good quality dashboard. It
would need to be
rethought.
Agreed, but...
I don't know of users that actually use it.
since you do not know, removing it is still risky. If some user are
actually use it, they will be really annoyed not finding it anywhere. This
is why I suggested for a few version to have an explanatory text on the new
dashboard, with a link to the old one. Providing a smooth transition, and
keeping the old dashboard available.
I suggest removing it in the meantime.
I am -1 on removing something we have had for so long without a transition
period.
Denis
Ludovic
2011/11/24 Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
to
proposed
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application
On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Vincent,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi devs,
>>>>
>>>> Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
>>>>
)
the
>>>> I'd like to push for using it
in our XEM distribution.
>>>>
>>>> However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
>>>> 1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each
>>>> workspace being a wiki)
>>>> 2) Using XE as a wiki farm
>>>>
>>>> I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and
this
>>>> vote is about keeping the XEM
packaging/branding but repurposing so
that
>>>> XEM implements use case 1). Use
case 2) exists but it's less
frequent and
>>>> for more technically advanced
users.
>>>>
>>>> So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
>>>>
>>>> A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces
module(s).
>>>> XEM home page becomes the
workspaces app home page. We update
>>>> manager.xwiki.org to align it with the fact that it now boasts the
>>>> workspaces features.
>>>> B) On
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualizationwekeep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
>>>>>
>>>> C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains >>>>> current pages located in XEM
(home page + the other pages). We
could
call
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-manager/tree/master/xwiki-manager-ui/src/mai…
>>>> it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
>>>>
>>>
>>> The pages that are strictly related to XEM can be found at
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There, you have:
>>>> * Main.WebHome -> main wiki home with a couple of words about XEM
and
a
is
>>> listing of current wikis
>>
>> AFAIR there was "dashboard" on the home page: wikis you view, wikis
you own, wikis you administrate, recent wikis.
>>
>> The page itself just include widgets which are in wiki manager.
>>
>>>
>>>> * XemManager.Install -> Install page for a wiki template. This page
>>>> supposed to have automatically
the latest XE xar attached to it.
This
was
>>>> working when it was part of the XEM product, but if we plan to put
it
into
that
>>> platform, we need to let the admin
upload the XE xar (or any other
xar that
>>> (s)he wishes to use for the
template), just like we did for
workspaces.
>>>> * Panels.QuickLinks -> Override of the standard quick links panel
>>> contains an extra link to the wiki manager if the current user is an
admin
>>>> * XemResources.* -> Translations page with 7 keys strictly related
the
package
>>> XemManager.Install page
>>> * Xapp.XWikiApplicationXem -> Application descriptor for the
application
>>>> manager. AFAIK, it's just a way to automatically register the above
>>>> translations.
>>>>
>>>> Now, knowing the above, does it make sense to name a platform that
>>>> is supposed to contain the above pages
"xwiki-platform-multiwiki" ?
If
>>> someone installs this package, they will not actually get multiwiki
>>> capabilities, they will just get a new homepage.
>>>
>>> I think that the xwiki-platform-wiki-manager module (application)
offers
>>>> everything needed for the 2) wiki farm use case and that, from the
>>>> platform's point of view (and maybe the user's as well), the
extra
>>>> xwiki-platform-multiwiki would bring no value. The only valuable
item
is
but
>>> (maybe) the homepage, but I propose
we drop all of the above and let
users
>>> use the wiki manager application.
>>
>> Good points, I agree. Makes a lot of sense.
>>
>> I'd then propose to include the XEM dashboard as the WebHome of
WikiManager
>>
>> I don't like it very much, WikiManager home page is an admin page to
>> manipulate wikis, this kind of dashboard would be useless for them
>> IMO.
>
> So you think we should just remove the dashboard?
>
> Or would you be ok to have the dashboard page in the wikimanager app not on the home page?
This could be a WikiManager.Dashboard page provided to anyone that
would want to include it somewhere like in the main wiki home page.
The best would probably be to rewrite the widgets to be supported by
the new dashboard system but it's really not a priority.
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Thanks
-Vincent
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> I`m +1 for everything else.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eduard
>>>
>>>
>>>> D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will
use the
>>>> Extension Manager UI when
it's ready for general consumption
>>>> E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will
use the
>>>> Extension Manager UI when
it's ready for general consumption. At
this point
>>>> we'll decide if we want to
drop the XEM distribution or keep both
ways of
>>> installing it.
>>>
>>> Here'd my +1
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
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+0
Thanks,
Marius
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi devs,
Since Eduard has developed the workspaces module (see
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Workspace+Application) I'd like
to push for using it in our XEM distribution.
However there are 2 valid uses cases that exist:
1) Using XE + workspaces, for creating workspaces (technically each workspace being a
wiki)
2) Using XE as a wiki farm
I think that use case 1) is the main use case for most people and this vote is about
keeping the XEM packaging/branding but repurposing so that XEM implements use case 1). Use
case 2) exists but it's less frequent and for more technically advanced users.
So here's my proposal (and what you should vote on):
A) XEM = app manager module + wiki manager module + workspaces module(s). XEM home page
becomes the workspaces app home page. We update manager.xwiki.org to align it with the
fact that it now boasts the workspaces features.
B) On http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Virtualization we keep
documenting how to transform XE into a wiki farm
C) We create an application in xwiki-platform-core/ that contains the current pages
located in XEM (home page + the other pages). We could call it xwiki-platform-multiwiki
D) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-multiwiki easily will use the Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption
E) Users who want to install xwiki-platform-workspace easily will use the Extension
Manager UI when it's ready for general consumption. At this point we'll decide if
we want to drop the XEM distribution or keep both ways of installing it.
Here'd my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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Denis Gervalle -
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Ludovic Dubost -
Marius Dumitru Florea -
Thomas Mortagne -
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