[xwiki-devs] [vote] Split XE/XEM Home Page Investigation in XWIki in 5 minutes / XEM-Workspaces investigations
29 Apr
2011
29 Apr
'11
9:58 a.m.
Hi,
After having a bit of thought about the XE/XEM Home Page investigations,
I don't think the "home page" investigation is relevant.
I'd like to propose to split this investigation into 2 investigations:
1/ "XWiki in the first 5 minutes" investigation
How to improve XWiki's User Experience in the first 5 minutes with
simple or more complex changes in the home page but for all initial
actions that are made by a user/administrator when he starts with XWiki.
The objective of this investigation would be to list small changes that
could be implemented in the coming releases and list larger work that
would need their own investigation.
2/ XEM/Workspaces investigation
This investigation is about the next generation Multi-Wiki management
including creation of Workspaces with the management of application. New
features would be part of that as well as a redesign of the Wiki
creation and management UI.
On this matter there is already work in the Wiki 3.0 project with a
prototype delivered of this work, which is a great basis for discussion,
in which we need to bring some guidelines about the objective of these
features as well as User Experience proposals by Cati.
WDYT ?
--
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Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/
XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com
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29 Apr
29 Apr
10:36 a.m.
+1 for the splitting.
See below.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
After having a bit of thought about the XE/XEM Home Page investigations, I
don't think the "home page" investigation is relevant.
I'd like to propose to split this investigation into 2 investigations:
1/ "XWiki in the first 5 minutes" investigation
How to improve XWiki's User Experience in the first 5 minutes with simple
or more complex changes in the home page but for all initial actions that
are made by a user/administrator when he starts with XWiki.
The objective of this investigation would be to list small changes that
could be implemented in the coming releases and list larger work that would
need their own investigation.
Last time Facebook updated user profile (or pages, I am not sure) they
implemented a "take a tour" feature that was pretty nice. Basically it was a
step by step demo of areas of the new profile page. When you clicked on
"next" button it would point to a specific area (greying out other areas,
similar to lightbox effect :
http://leandrovieira.com/projects/jquery/lightbox/ Example section), with
explainations on how to use it. It was done on the actual page (instead of a
video) which made the demo very pleasant.
Thibaut
2/ XEM/Workspaces investigation
This investigation is about the next generation Multi-Wiki management
including creation of Workspaces with the management of application. New
features would be part of that as well as a redesign of the Wiki creation
and management UI.
On this matter there is already work in the Wiki 3.0 project with a
prototype delivered of this work, which is a great basis for discussion, in
which we need to bring some guidelines about the objective of these features
as well as User Experience proposals by Cati.
WDYT ?
--
Ludovic Dubost
Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/
XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com
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11:51 a.m.
Hi,
The homepage is relevant in the context of the "5 minutes" experience.
We have to make it very clear on what "5 minutes" we are talking about. Also
the separation between XE and XEM needs to be made because they are not the
same thing.
XEM
I struggled to install XEM (finding out what file to download, installing
mysql, starting xem, changing the max allowed packet, importing, etc). Then
I didn't know how to create a new wiki (expected to see it in the Add menu).
It's very clear that XEM process (installing and using) has lots of things
to be improved and the most important thing is to make also a separation on
the persona we are covering (the beginner user? the administrator? are
normal users gonna create new wikis (workspaces)?)
XEM homepage can be made for admins and provide statistics or it can be
exactly as XE (end user will not know the difference) and have the wiki
management in administration.
XE
XE homepage was somehow pimped with the new dashboard system. The current
content of the homepage is suitable, would need maybe some more
discoverability to show the user he can actually customize the homepage any
way he likes.
I really believe that we need some kind of "getting started" step
(documentation or guided or a layered tips system activated on certain time
+ events). But for this we really need to do the separation: user, admin,
developer and present only steps they are interested in.
- documentation + guided
Confl has some nice guided ninja steps:
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CONFDEVAL/Become+a+Wiki+Ninja+with+…
Facebook http://www.facebook.com/about/profile/
http://www.facebook.com/places/
http://www.facebook.com/facebook?sk=app_2392950137
- layered tips
http://konigi.com/interface/yahoo-buzz-voting
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:58, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
After having a bit of thought about the XE/XEM Home Page investigations, I
don't think the "home page" investigation is relevant.
I'd like to propose to split this investigation into 2 investigations:
1/ "XWiki in the first 5 minutes" investigation
How to improve XWiki's User Experience in the first 5 minutes with simple
or more complex changes in the home page but for all initial actions that
are made by a user/administrator when he starts with XWiki.
The objective of this investigation would be to list small changes that
could be implemented in the coming releases and list larger work that would
need their own investigation.
2/ XEM/Workspaces investigation
This investigation is about the next generation Multi-Wiki management
including creation of Workspaces with the management of application. New
features would be part of that as well as a redesign of the Wiki creation
and management UI.
On this matter there is already work in the Wiki 3.0 project with a
prototype delivered of this work, which is a great basis for discussion, in
which we need to bring some guidelines about the objective of these features
as well as User Experience proposals by Cati.
WDYT ?
--
Ludovic Dubost
Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/
XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com
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12:18 p.m.
Hi,
On 04/29/2011 12:51 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Hi,
The homepage is relevant in the context of the "5 minutes" experience.
We have to make it very clear on what "5 minutes" we are talking about. Also
the separation between XE and XEM needs to be made because they are not the
same thing.
XEM
I struggled to install XEM (finding out what file to download, installing
mysql, starting xem, changing the max allowed packet, importing, etc).
Additionally, XE/XEM should be able to create the main wiki's database
for itself (if it's not already created and empty). If you start on an
empty mysql, even if you already gave permissions to the xwiki user, you
still have to manually do 'create database xwiki'.
Thanks,
Eduard
Then
I didn't know how to create a new wiki (expected to see it in the Add menu).
It's very clear that XEM process (installing and using) has lots of things
to be improved and the most important thing is to make also a separation on
the persona we are covering (the beginner user? the administrator? are
normal users gonna create new wikis (workspaces)?)
XEM homepage can be made for admins and provide statistics or it can be
exactly as XE (end user will not know the difference) and have the wiki
management in administration.
XE
XE homepage was somehow pimped with the new dashboard system. The current
content of the homepage is suitable, would need maybe some more
discoverability to show the user he can actually customize the homepage any
way he likes.
I really believe that we need some kind of "getting started" step
(documentation or guided or a layered tips system activated on certain time
+ events). But for this we really need to do the separation: user, admin,
developer and present only steps they are interested in.
- documentation + guided
Confl has some nice guided ninja steps:
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CONFDEVAL/Become+a+Wiki+Ninja+with+…
Facebook http://www.facebook.com/about/profile/
http://www.facebook.com/places/
http://www.facebook.com/facebook?sk=app_2392950137
- layered tips
http://konigi.com/interface/yahoo-buzz-voting
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:58, Ludovic Dubost<ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
After having a bit of thought about the XE/XEM Home Page investigations, I
don't think the "home page" investigation is relevant.
I'd like to propose to split this investigation into 2 investigations:
1/ "XWiki in the first 5 minutes" investigation
How to improve XWiki's User Experience in the first 5 minutes with simple
or more complex changes in the home page but for all initial actions that
are made by a user/administrator when he starts with XWiki.
The objective of this investigation would be to list small changes that
could be implemented in the coming releases and list larger work that would
need their own investigation.
2/ XEM/Workspaces investigation
This investigation is about the next generation Multi-Wiki management
including creation of Workspaces with the management of application. New
features would be part of that as well as a redesign of the Wiki creation
and management UI.
On this matter there is already work in the Wiki 3.0 project with a
prototype delivered of this work, which is a great basis for discussion, in
which we need to bring some guidelines about the objective of these features
as well as User Experience proposals by Cati.
WDYT ?
--
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Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/
XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com
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4 May
11:24 a.m.
New subject: [xwiki-devs] [vote] Split XE/XEM Home Page Investigation in XWIki in 5 minutes / XEM-Workspaces investigations
On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Ludovic Dubost wrote:
Hi,
After having a bit of thought about the XE/XEM Home Page investigations, I don't
think the "home page" investigation is relevant.
I'd like to propose to split this investigation into 2 investigations:
1/ "XWiki in the first 5 minutes" investigation
How to improve XWiki's User Experience in the first 5 minutes with simple or more
complex changes in the home page but for all initial actions that are made by a
user/administrator when he starts with XWiki.
The objective of this investigation would be to list small changes that could be
implemented in the coming releases and list larger work that would need their own
investigation.
+1, but especially in the context of what can be done on the home page.
2/ XEM/Workspaces investigation
This investigation is about the next generation Multi-Wiki management including creation
of Workspaces with the management of application. New features would be part of that as
well as a redesign of the Wiki creation and management UI.
On this matter there is already work in the Wiki 3.0 project with a prototype delivered
of this work, which is a great basis for discussion, in which we need to bring some
guidelines about the objective of these features as well as User Experience proposals by
Cati.
+1
Thanks
-Vincent
WDYT ?
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Ludovic Dubost
9 May
9 May
12:44 p.m.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
After having a bit of thought about the XE/XEM Home Page investigations, I
don't think the "home page" investigation is relevant.
I'd like to propose to split this investigation into 2 investigations:
+1 for the splitting.
Thanks,
Fabio
1/ "XWiki in the first 5 minutes"
investigation
How to improve XWiki's User Experience in the first 5 minutes with simple or
more complex changes in the home page but for all initial actions that are
made by a user/administrator when he starts with XWiki.
The objective of this investigation would be to list small changes that
could be implemented in the coming releases and list larger work that would
need their own investigation.
2/ XEM/Workspaces investigation
This investigation is about the next generation Multi-Wiki management
including creation of Workspaces with the management of application. New
features would be part of that as well as a redesign of the Wiki creation
and management UI.
On this matter there is already work in the Wiki 3.0 project with a
prototype delivered of this work, which is a great basis for discussion, in
which we need to bring some guidelines about the objective of these features
as well as User Experience proposals by Cati.
WDYT ?
--
Ludovic Dubost
Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/
XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com
Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost
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2:50 p.m.
+1
go for the split.
I am very + for a "xwiki in 5 minutes" investigation, I think it's
something we could really improve with great benefit and not necessarily
great cost and it's good to have it as an individual topic of
investigation.
Happy investigation,
Anca
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 09:58 +0200, Ludovic Dubost wrote:
Hi,
After having a bit of thought about the XE/XEM Home Page investigations,
I don't think the "home page" investigation is relevant.
I'd like to propose to split this investigation into 2 investigations:
1/ "XWiki in the first 5 minutes" investigation
How to improve XWiki's User Experience in the first 5 minutes with
simple or more complex changes in the home page but for all initial
actions that are made by a user/administrator when he starts with XWiki.
The objective of this investigation would be to list small changes that
could be implemented in the coming releases and list larger work that
would need their own investigation.
2/ XEM/Workspaces investigation
This investigation is about the next generation Multi-Wiki management
including creation of Workspaces with the management of application. New
features would be part of that as well as a redesign of the Wiki
creation and management UI.
On this matter there is already work in the Wiki 3.0 project with a
prototype delivered of this work, which is a great basis for discussion,
in which we need to bring some guidelines about the objective of these
features as well as User Experience proposals by Cati.
WDYT ?
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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) -
Eduard Moraru -
Fabio Mancinelli -
Luca Anca -
Ludovic Dubost -
Thibaut Camberlin -
Vincent Massol