On Mar 21, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: I also think that it's not the goal of Workspaces to be a generic purpose wiki. This is for XE. Thus we need to be very careful about the features that we expose in XWS since its goal is to be dumb simple! My take is that users should only be able to add the applications that we've packaged for them (i.e. that are in the distribution). Of course an admin can probably do whatever he wants since it's an XE under the hood ;) WDYT? Thanks -Vincent

I agree that, unlike XE, XWS is a product that is not intended to be a basis for product developments/custom developments; and as you say, it is and should stay dumb simple. But, I also believe that their is one thing we should at some point expose to developers: application development for spaces. For me this won't make XWS more complex, it will just give the opportunity for those who want/need, to empower their spaces with business apps/other apps. (and why not for us having contributed apps we can share on code.xwiki.org). As for the status on XWS application development now, it is not that complex as Guillaume let it sound :) Spaces applications are described with an object of XAppClasses.XWikiApplicationClass class from XWiki's application manager plugin, which indicate the documents to copy and to link in the space, when installing the application in the space. (Note that this is somehow a deviant usage of the application manager, since those fields are meant to be used for a cross-wiki installation, not a local instantiation of the application. In the future, we should expand the application descriptor of the application manager so that it support local instantiation, but this is for another thread I suppose.) In addition, another object, specific to XWS, is used to describe what buttons the applications should expose on the right (like "Add wiki page", "Edit this page", etc. in the Wiki application), to describe how the title of a page should be computed, and finally to describe what the form for adding a entry via the lightbox (through the "+" button) should be. The simplest way of understanding how this really works, is certainly to look how one of the existing application is built, the Wiki one for example. You can edit XWSApps.WikiApp with the object editor to see its two descriptors, and read the documents under XWSWiki/ for the code of the application itself. Now to sum up my view on the topic I would say that: - It is certainly too early to advertise XWS application development (with a tutorial on workspaces.xwiki.org for example) - but this is something we should do at some point - It would be awesome if XE apps (wiki apps) and XWS apps (spaces apps) could be both handled by application manager, and IMHO we should tend towards this goal. Regards, Jerome.

Jerome Velociter-2 wrote: Ok, what about a middle ground? Say a way to easily allow access through from XWS to (wiki apps), perhaps another panel on the left for "Other Apps" and a tutorial on building that? I look forward to adding what you desribe, but I can wait for that, I just need a couple of things. I don't want to go to XE and build my own XWS just so I can get a couple of other things. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/new-applications-for-Workspaces-tp16190336p16204740.h… Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Vincent, vmassol wrote: No offense intended, you did ask "WDYT?" and I voiced it. I suppose I was a bit hard on you. I just get wrangled when someone starts thinking for me deciding what's best for me, not that is what you intended, just how I saw it. Ollie -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/new-applications-for-Workspaces-tp16190336p16206420.h… Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.