[xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Open the "Assign issues" permissions to everyone again for the "XWiki Open" JIRA scheme?
28 Nov
2014
28 Nov
'14
2:22 p.m.
Hi committers,
So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors) the permission to
assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to only allow someone to assign
himself in JIRA!). We did this because we didn’t want people assigning issues to others.
However this is causing several problems:
* It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki github orgzanition
be able to assign themselves to issues for which they wish to send PRs
* For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to become a committer there, it’s even more
important that contrib developers be able to assign themselves to issues
We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to ask a committer on
IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission. However this is painful for
everyone.
Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA for the “XWiki Open”
permission scheme.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
28 Nov
28 Nov
2:41 p.m.
Hi,
Just a note, the Contrib projects is not an issue, since the scheme used is
'XWiki Open for Contrib' which allows what you are describing.
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:22 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi committers,
So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors) the
permission to assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to only
allow someone to assign himself in JIRA!). We did this because we didn’t
want people assigning issues to others.
However this is causing several problems:
* It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki
github orgzanition be able to assign themselves to issues for which they
wish to send PRs
* For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to become a committer there,
it’s even more important that contrib developers be able to assign
themselves to issues
We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to ask
a committer on IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission.
However this is painful for everyone.
Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA for
the “XWiki Open” permission scheme.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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2:45 p.m.
On 28 Nov 2014 at 14:41:54, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
(valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
Hi,
Just a note, the Contrib projects is not an issue, since the scheme used is
'XWiki Open for Contrib' which allows what you are describing.
Actually I’ve been using “XWiki Open” and not “XWiki Open for Contrib” for a long time now
when creating contrib projects. I’ve been wanting to remove the “XWiki Open for Contrib”
permission scheme for a long time already.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:22 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
Hi committers,
So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors) the
permission to assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to only
allow someone to assign himself in JIRA!). We did this because we didn’t
want people assigning issues to others.
However this is causing several problems:
* It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki
github orgzanition be able to assign themselves to issues for which they
wish to send PRs
* For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to become a committer there,
it’s even more important that contrib developers be able to assign
themselves to issues
We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to ask
a committer on IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission.
However this is painful for everyone.
Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA for
the “XWiki Open” permission scheme.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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2:50 p.m.
+1
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:22 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi committers,
So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors) the permission to
assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to only allow someone to assign
himself in JIRA!). We did this because we didn’t want people assigning issues to others.
However this is causing several problems:
* It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki github orgzanition
be able to assign themselves to issues for which they wish to send PRs
* For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to become a committer there, it’s even more
important that contrib developers be able to assign themselves to issues
We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to ask a committer on
IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission. However this is painful for
everyone.
Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA for the “XWiki
Open” permission scheme.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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6:05 p.m.
Hi,
I believe there are 2 aspects here:
1) For top level projects, like XWiki Platform, Enterprise, Commons and
Rendering it makes no sense for a non-committer to assign himself (or
anyone else for the matter) when he has no commit access (to merge his Pull
Request) and not even close issue access to mark it as done. It is the
commiter's job to validte a PR, close the issue and set the assigned person
for that issue.
2) For contrib projects we can either use the “XWiki Open for Contrib”
schema that allows anyone to do anything, or we can just do what we do fo
github: whenever a new user joins the github contrib group (i.e. we add
them to the group), we also add them to the jira group creates specially
for contrib users on contrib projects, so they (and not anyone) have the
proper rights to manage issues for conrib projects.
Allowing anyone to assign issues at random is too risky IMO, in the way
that we are very few people and we will tend to stay away from issues that
are already "assigned" to not step on each-other's toes. If the assignment
was not done in a responsible way, we will have issues.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
+1
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:22 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi committers,
So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors)
the
permission to assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to
only allow someone to assign himself in JIRA!). We did this because we
didn’t want people assigning issues to others.
However this is causing several problems:
* It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki
github
orgzanition be able to assign themselves to issues for which they
wish to send PRs
* For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to
become a committer
there, it’s even more important that contrib developers be able
to assign
themselves to issues
We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to
ask a
committer on IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission.
However this is painful for everyone.
Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA
for the
“XWiki Open” permission scheme.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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6:54 p.m.
On 28 Nov 2014 at 18:06:05, Eduard Moraru
(enygma2002@gmail.com(mailto:enygma2002@gmail.com)) wrote:
Hi,
I believe there are 2 aspects here:
1) For top level projects, like XWiki Platform, Enterprise, Commons and
Rendering it makes no sense for a non-committer to assign himself (or
anyone else for the matter) when he has no commit access (to merge his Pull
Request)
Of course it does make sense, otherwise I wouldn’t have proposed it! :)
I probably should have stated it (I thought it was obvious):
- The idea is to see who’s working on a given issue. That’s what the assignee field is
for: it’s used to indicate that someone is “assigned” (ie. working on it)
- Since we said in the thread started by Caty that we want to give attribution to the
contributor using the “assignee” field when they do PR (when it’s merged), they’ll be the
one “assigned” in the end on the issue, so it does make sense that they are assigned when
they start to work on the issue. I see no reason why committers would be allowed to be
assigned when they start working on an issue and not contributors.
The only thing that doesn’t make sense (with the way we work) is for people to assign
other people but in JIRA it’s not possible to separate the 2 notions as I mentioned in my
first email.
and not even close issue access to mark it as done. It
is the
commiter's job to validte a PR, close the issue and set the assigned person
for that issue.
BTW it’s pretty wrong to set the “assign” field to the contributor when all the work has
already been done (that’s related the other thread started by Caty). Ideally their name
should be set in a “Fixed By” field but not an “Assignee" one since assign means
*before* the work is done ;) Now if they’re assigned from the beginning, suddenly it makes
sense that their name is set in the “assignee” field :)
2) For contrib projects we can either use the “XWiki
Open for Contrib”
schema that allows anyone to do anything,
Yup and I’d like to generalize it to all projects since we also need to fix point 1.
or we can just do what we do fo
github: whenever a new user joins the github contrib group (i.e. we add
them to the group), we also add them to the jira group creates specially
for contrib users on contrib projects, so they (and not anyone) have the
proper rights to manage issues for conrib projects.
This is what I mentioned in my first email and I wouldn’t want to do that myself (I’d like
to reduce overhead, not increase it). Now if you volunteer to do that all the time, I
don’t have any issue. I already spend enough time creating jira projects and fixing
permissions and maintenance in general.
Allowing anyone to assign issues at random is too
risky IMO, in the way
that we are very few people and we will tend to stay away from issues that
are already "assigned" to not step on each-other's toes. If the assignment
was not done in a responsible way, we will have issues.
Sure and I’ll agree if we get problems. It’s funny because you’re developing a wiki and
the main concept of wiki is openness: Open everything and only close it only if it becomes
a problem.
What I’m proposing is exactly that: try to open it, see if there are too many problems and
if so, find a less open solution. And seen the way we monitor JIRA activity I don’t feel
we have any substantial risk of having people assign other people and us not realizing
it.
BTW I would still not recommend allowing people to assign issues in the JIRA Creation step
since some people may think that they need to fill all fields…
It wouldn’t be hard to try this for a few weeks and see where it goes.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne
wrote:
> +1
>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:22 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> wrote:
> > Hi committers,
> >
> > So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors)
> the permission to assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to
> only allow someone to assign himself in JIRA!). We did this because we
> didn’t want people assigning issues to others.
> >
> > However this is causing several problems:
> >
> > * It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki
> github orgzanition be able to assign themselves to issues for which they
> wish to send PRs
> > * For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to become a committer
> there, it’s even more important that contrib developers be able to assign
> themselves to issues
> >
> > We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to
> ask a committer on IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission.
> However this is painful for everyone.
> >
> > Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA
> for the “XWiki Open” permission scheme.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
8:27 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:54 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On 28 Nov 2014 at 18:06:05, Eduard Moraru
(enygma2002@gmail.com(mailto:enygma2002@gmail.com)) wrote:
I really don't see how we could have any critical problems with that.
If people assign someone else that someone else can just unassing
himself...
Hi,
I believe there are 2 aspects here:
1) For top level projects, like XWiki Platform, Enterprise, Commons and
Rendering it makes no sense for a non-committer to assign himself (or
anyone else for the matter) when he has no commit access (to merge his Pull
Request)
Of course it does make sense, otherwise I wouldn’t have proposed it! :)
I probably should have stated it (I thought it was obvious):
- The idea is to see who’s working on a given issue. That’s what the assignee field is
for: it’s used to indicate that someone is “assigned” (ie. working on it)
- Since we said in the thread started by Caty that we want to give attribution to the
contributor using the “assignee” field when they do PR (when it’s merged), they’ll be the
one “assigned” in the end on the issue, so it does make sense that they are assigned when
they start to work on the issue. I see no reason why committers would be allowed to be
assigned when they start working on an issue and not contributors.
The only thing that doesn’t make sense (with the way we work) is for people to assign
other people but in JIRA it’s not possible to separate the 2 notions as I mentioned in my
first email.
and not even close issue access to mark it as
done. It is the
commiter's job to validte a PR, close the issue and set the assigned person
for that issue.
BTW it’s pretty wrong to set the “assign” field to the contributor when all the work has
already been done (that’s related the other thread started by Caty). Ideally their name
should be set in a “Fixed By” field but not an “Assignee" one since assign means
*before* the work is done ;) Now if they’re assigned from the beginning, suddenly it makes
sense that their name is set in the “assignee” field :)
2) For contrib projects we can either use the
“XWiki Open for Contrib”
schema that allows anyone to do anything,
Yup and I’d like to generalize it to all projects since we also need to fix point 1.
or we can just do what we do fo
github: whenever a new user joins the github contrib group (i.e. we add
them to the group), we also add them to the jira group creates specially
for contrib users on contrib projects, so they (and not anyone) have the
proper rights to manage issues for conrib projects.
This is what I mentioned in my first email and I wouldn’t want to do that myself (I’d
like to reduce overhead, not increase it). Now if you volunteer to do that all the time, I
don’t have any issue. I already spend enough time creating jira projects and fixing
permissions and maintenance in general.
Allowing anyone to assign issues at random is too
risky IMO, in the way
that we are very few people and we will tend to stay away from issues that
are already "assigned" to not step on each-other's toes. If the assignment
was not done in a responsible way, we will have issues.
Sure and I’ll agree if we get problems. It’s funny because you’re developing a wiki and
the main concept of wiki is openness: Open everything and only close it only if it becomes
a problem.
What I’m proposing is exactly that: try to open it, see if there are too many problems
and if so, find a less open solution. And seen the way we monitor JIRA activity I don’t
feel we have any substantial risk of having people assign other people and us not
realizing it.
BTW I would still not recommend allowing people to assign issues in the JIRA Creation
step since some people may think that they need to fill all fields…
It wouldn’t be hard to try this for a few weeks and see where it goes.
Thanks
-Vincent
--
Thomas Mortagne
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Thomas Mortagne
wrote:
> +1
>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:22 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> wrote:
> > Hi committers,
> >
> > So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors)
> the permission to assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to
> only allow someone to assign himself in JIRA!). We did this because we
> didn’t want people assigning issues to others.
> >
> > However this is causing several problems:
> >
> > * It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki
> github orgzanition be able to assign themselves to issues for which they
> wish to send PRs
> > * For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to become a committer
> there, it’s even more important that contrib developers be able to assign
> themselves to issues
> >
> > We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to
> ask a committer on IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission.
> However this is painful for everyone.
> >
> > Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA
> for the “XWiki Open” permission scheme.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
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11:19 p.m.
+0
Thanks,
Marius
On Nov 28, 2014 3:23 PM, "vincent(a)massol.net" <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi committers,
So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors) the
permission to assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to only
allow someone to assign himself in JIRA!). We did this because we didn’t
want people assigning issues to others.
However this is causing several problems:
* It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki
github
orgzanition be able to assign themselves to issues for which they
wish to send PRs
* For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to
become a committer
there, it’s even more important that contrib developers be able
to assign
themselves to issues
We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to ask
a
committer on IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission.
However this is painful for everyone.
Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA for
the
“XWiki Open” permission scheme.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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29 Nov
29 Nov
1:26 p.m.
+1, with the additional rule that we consider "unassigned" any issue that
has someone assigned to it for more than "3 months".
I wonder if we can script things like that in jira to make this check
periodically.
Without this rule, I`m just +0.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+0
Thanks,
Marius
On Nov 28, 2014 3:23 PM, "vincent(a)massol.net" <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi committers,
So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors) the
permission to assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to only
allow someone to assign himself in JIRA!). We did this because we didn’t
want people assigning issues to others.
However this is causing several problems:
* It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki
github
orgzanition be able to assign themselves to issues for which they
wish to send PRs
* For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to
become a committer
there, it’s even more important that contrib developers be able
to assign
themselves to issues
We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to ask
a
committer on IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission.
However this is painful for everyone.
Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA for
the
“XWiki Open” permission scheme.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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10:37 a.m.
On 29 Nov 2014 at 13:27:23, Eduard Moraru
(enygma2002@gmail.com(mailto:enygma2002@gmail.com)) wrote:
+1, with the additional rule that we consider
"unassigned" any issue that
has someone assigned to it for more than "3 months".
I wonder if we can script things like that in jira to make this check
periodically.
That could be interesting to reset assigned issues if left assigned for over a period of
months.
This is certainly doable using the Script Runner
(see https://jamieechlin.atlassian.net/wiki/display/GRV/Script%20Runner).
Now some users (including myself) use JIRA as a reminder of stuff they’d like to work on,
and thus unassigning myself means I’ll loose tracks of these issues or I need to move them
to some personal tracking system to remember them. I don’t have an idea ATM to solve
this.
Also, it’s not because an issue is assigned to someone that nobody should work on it. If a
committer or a contributor find an issue that they’d like to fix and see that someone is
already assigned but has not been active for a long time, they should ask in comment if
the person is active and barring any quick response, assign it to themselves/send a PR for
it.
Thanks
-Vincent
Without this rule, I`m just +0.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
+0
Thanks,
Marius
On Nov 28, 2014 3:23 PM, "vincent(a)massol.net" wrote:
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Hi committers,
So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors) the
permission to assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to only
allow someone to assign himself in JIRA!). We did this because we didn’t
want people assigning issues to others.
However this is causing several problems:
* It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki
github
orgzanition be able to assign themselves to issues for which they
wish to send PRs
* For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to
become a committer
there, it’s even more important that contrib developers be able
to assign
themselves to issues
We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to ask
a
committer on IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission.
However this is painful for everyone.
Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA for
the
“XWiki Open” permission scheme.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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9:30 p.m.
I’ve enabled the assign rights to all jira users. Let’s see how it goes and review that in
a few weeks.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 28 Nov 2014 at 14:22:56, vincent(a)massol.net
(vincent@massol.net(mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
Hi committers,
So far we’re allowing only committers (and some special contributors) the permission to
assign themselves and others (there’s no permission to only allow someone to assign
himself in JIRA!). We did this because we didn’t want people assigning issues to others.
However this is causing several problems:
* It would be nice that contributors working on a project in the xwiki github orgzanition
be able to assign themselves to issues for which they wish to send PRs
* For Contrib projects, since we allow anyone to become a committer there, it’s even more
important that contrib developers be able to assign themselves to issues
We could of course do this in an ad-hoc manner and wait for people to ask a committer on
IRC or on the mailing list to be given the permission. However this is painful for
everyone.
Thus I propose to reopen again the “Assign issues” permission in JIRA for the “XWiki
Open” permission scheme.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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